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I am not very happy at the moment and do apologize if my writing REFLECTS that too much.

I have contributed to the INDIEGOGO campaign and yes... now that I'm being told that a device MADE IN CHINA isn't able to be shipped to CHINA it's great that they are offering a REFUND!

But this is all back to SQUARE 1!!

Are there any others here who have a concern? I mean we're interested in this product and some of us are essentially investing in it in various ways yet seriously? Do they want this to fail?

They're nowhere and they're not REALLY expanding.

It seems to me Distribution, getting your product to as many people as want to try it should be the #1 purpose.

All this mess about waiting for a partner... who?

Samsung? HTC? and the list goes on and on with these companies with their heads stuck where the sun don't shine and no innovation whatsoever unless they can' control it absolutely. (Proprietary)

Why does Jolla not have or isn't trying to make DEALS with companies like:

www.expansys.com and there are so many others!

Some of you guys may know some 'very good' ones and these companies specialize in selling (world standard factory unlocked devices!)

I'm sitting here in CHINA being told a device made in CHINA that I paid for now can't come to me and they have an office in HK?

Speaking of HK their partner deal there doesn't sell the device unlocked nor without a stupid contract deal? That device at the time was only the phone...

so first I wanted to try the phone, I couldn't get it.

Someone was nice enough to offer to use his address and then ship it to me and frankly, I don't think he would cheat. I think there's a great community of people here who can be trusted, but the bottom line is why should i have to do something like that?

I NEVER buy a CHINA device and when I meet non CHINESE here with MAJOR issues with their phone asking me why can I do this or that and they can't... I just say I don't buy the limited devices. I order then from HK and usually expansys.

Not the only store but there's NO PROBLEM with shipping to CHINA for this store! Therefore likely others as well!

WHY Is this limited limited country availability still a problem!

Do they want to stay afloat or sink?

Anyone else have concerns about this?

I would personally RATHER HAVE THE TABLET I WANT TO TRY than my MONEY BACK... honestly.

I'm sick to H**L of ANDROID and personally wouldn't touch an APPLE product even wearing a decontamination suite.

But here's this GREAT ALTERNATIVE except no one can get it? How does that help further adoption?

From the looks of things... only Jolla could literally offer the same thing that M$ (Micro$haft) is supposedly going to try to offer... in the future of course but see the possibility... that's consolidated experience and merging of apps and so forth on computer/desktop and mobile device.

(Suppose Apple will copy soon after. Android likely will make some attempt or maybe not. Jolla could keep up with this and might even bring a legit Linux based system to desktop how about that?)

But for now? How can anyone adopt something that they can't get their hands on?

So now I can't get the tablet... when the new phone comes out I suppose I can't get that either...

as for whatever certification about CHINA, common sense should have seen that coming. They're not trust worthy and despite what they say the current leader has a hard on for slamming foreign ideas in CHINA. (Plus this is a country big on CENSORSHIP and spying on their own people like AMERICA... the spying bit anyway, and you want to advertise a device here that features privacy? Who couldn't see that coming?)

He's going on and on about them returning to their roots... and they all think the next thing will be how CHINESE is as popular in the world as English...

With a shallow empty minded consumer base, they can't ever get into this market until they establish their niche and become popular and/or get a big name about them... hopefully some company with a name that begins with "N" we all hope... as the companies mentioned above... will be dead ends.

Does anyone else have ideas about HOW JOLLA can better distribute their devices to those of us in various places who would like to get our hands on them?

I'm really sick of hearing these lame excuses about shipping... this is really something that can be achieved with a little more effort and some partnering with carriers...

I am not very happy at the moment and do apologize if my writing REFLECTS that too much.

I have contributed to the INDIEGOGO campaign and yes... now that I'm being told that a device MADE IN CHINA isn't able to be shipped to CHINA it's great that they are offering a REFUND!

But this is all back to SQUARE 1!!

Are there any others here who have a concern? I mean we're interested in this product and some of us are essentially investing in it in various ways yet seriously? Do they want this to fail?

They're nowhere and they're not REALLY expanding.

It seems to me Distribution, getting your product to as many people as want to try it should be the #1 purpose.

All this mess about waiting for a partner... who?

Samsung? HTC? and the list goes on and on with these companies with their heads stuck where the sun don't shine and no innovation whatsoever unless they can' control it absolutely. (Proprietary)

Why does Jolla not have or isn't trying to make DEALS with companies like:

www.expansys.com and there are so many others!

Some of you guys may know some 'very good' ones and these companies specialize in selling (world standard factory unlocked devices!)

I'm sitting here in CHINA being told a device made in CHINA that I paid for now can't come to me and they have an office in HK?

Speaking of HK their partner deal there doesn't sell the device unlocked nor without a stupid contract deal? That device at the time was only the phone...

so first I wanted to try the phone, I couldn't get it.

Someone was nice enough to offer to use his address and then ship it to me and frankly, I don't think he would cheat. I think there's a great community of people here who can be trusted, but the bottom line is why should i have to do something like that?

I NEVER buy a CHINA device and when I meet non CHINESE here with MAJOR issues with their phone asking me why can I do this or that and they can't... I just say I don't buy the limited devices. I order then from HK and usually expansys.

Not the only store but there's NO PROBLEM with shipping to CHINA for this store! Therefore likely others as well!

WHY Is this limited limited country availability still a problem!

Do they want to stay afloat or sink?

Anyone else have concerns about this?

I would personally RATHER HAVE THE TABLET I WANT TO TRY than my MONEY BACK... honestly.

I'm sick to H**L of ANDROID and personally wouldn't touch an APPLE product even wearing a decontamination suite.

But here's this GREAT ALTERNATIVE except no one can get it? How does that help further adoption?

From the looks of things... only Jolla could literally offer the same thing that M$ (Micro$haft) is supposedly going to try to offer... in the future of course but see the possibility... that's consolidated experience and merging of apps and so forth on computer/desktop and mobile device.

(Suppose Apple will copy soon after. Android likely will make some attempt or maybe not. Jolla could keep up with this and might even bring a legit Linux based system to desktop how about that?)

But for now? How can anyone adopt something that they can't get their hands on?

So now I can't get the tablet... when the new phone comes out I suppose I can't get that either...

as for whatever certification about CHINA, common sense should have seen that coming. They're not trust worthy and despite what they say the current leader has a hard on for slamming foreign ideas in CHINA. (Plus this is a country big on CENSORSHIP and spying on their own people like AMERICA... the spying bit anyway, and you want to advertise a device here that features privacy? Who couldn't see that coming?)

He's going on and on about them returning to their roots... and they all think the next thing will be how CHINESE is as popular in the world as English...

With a shallow empty minded consumer base, they can't ever get into this market until they establish their niche and become popular and/or get a big name about them... hopefully some company with a name that begins with "N" we all hope... as the companies mentioned above... will be dead ends.

Does anyone else have ideas about HOW JOLLA can better distribute their devices to those of us in various places who would like to get our hands on them?

I'm really sick of hearing these lame excuses about shipping... this is really something that can be achieved with a little more effort and some partnering with carriers...

I am not very happy at the moment and do apologize if my writing REFLECTS that too much.

I have contributed to the INDIEGOGO campaign and yes... now that I'm being told that a device MADE IN CHINA isn't able to be shipped to CHINA it's great that they are offering a REFUND!

But this is all back to SQUARE 1!!

Are there any others here who have a concern? I mean we're interested in this product and some of us are essentially investing in it in various ways yet seriously? Do they want this to fail?

They're nowhere and they're not REALLY expanding.

It seems to me Distribution, getting your product to as many people as want to try it should be the #1 purpose.

All this mess about waiting for a partner... who?

Samsung? HTC? and the list goes on and on with these companies with their heads stuck where the sun don't shine and no innovation whatsoever unless they can' control it absolutely. (Proprietary)

Why does Jolla not have or isn't trying to make DEALS with companies like:

www.expansys.com and there are so many others!

Some of you guys may know some 'very good' ones and these companies specialize in selling (world standard factory unlocked devices!)

I'm sitting here in CHINA being told a device made in CHINA that I paid for now can't come to me and they have an office in HK?

Speaking of HK their partner deal there doesn't sell the device unlocked nor without a stupid contract deal? That device at the time was only the phone...

so first I wanted to try the phone, I couldn't get it.

Someone was nice enough to offer to use his address and then ship it to me and frankly, I don't think he would cheat. I think there's a great community of people here who can be trusted, but the bottom line is why should i have to do something like that?

I NEVER buy a CHINA device and when I meet non CHINESE here with MAJOR issues with their phone asking me why can I do this or that and they can't... I just say I don't buy the limited devices. I order then from HK and usually expansys.

Not the only store but there's NO PROBLEM with shipping to CHINA for this store! Therefore likely others as well!

WHY Is this limited limited country availability still a problem!

Do they want to stay afloat or sink?

Anyone else have concerns about this?

I would personally RATHER HAVE THE TABLET I WANT TO TRY than my MONEY BACK... honestly.

I'm sick to H**L of ANDROID and personally wouldn't touch an APPLE product even wearing a decontamination suite.

But here's this GREAT ALTERNATIVE except no one can get it? How does that help further adoption?

From the looks of things... only Jolla could literally offer the same thing that M$ (Micro$haft) is supposedly going to try to offer... in the future of course but see the possibility... that's consolidated experience and merging of apps and so forth on computer/desktop and mobile device.

(Suppose Apple will copy soon after. Android likely will make some attempt or maybe not. Jolla could keep up with this and might even bring a legit Linux based system to desktop how about that?)

But for now? How can anyone adopt something that they can't get their hands on?

So now I can't get the tablet... when the new phone comes out I suppose I can't get that either...

as for whatever certification about CHINA, common sense should have seen that coming. They're not trust worthy and despite what they say the current leader has a hard on for slamming foreign ideas in CHINA. (Plus this is a country big on CENSORSHIP and spying on their own people like AMERICA... the spying bit anyway, and you want to advertise a device here that features privacy? Who couldn't see that coming?)

He's going on and on about them returning to their roots... and they all think the next thing will be how CHINESE is as popular in the world as English...

With a shallow empty minded consumer base, they can't ever get into this market until they establish their niche and become popular and/or get a big name about them... hopefully some company with a name that begins with "N" we all hope... as the companies mentioned above... will be dead ends.

Does anyone else have ideas about HOW JOLLA can better distribute their devices to those of us in various places who would like to get our hands on them?

I'm really sick of hearing these lame excuses about shipping... this is really something that can be achieved with a little more effort and some partnering with carriers...