jolla tablet closure. But... what else for the future? [not relevant]

asked 2016-01-29 10:39:14 +0200

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Hello to Jolla and Antti,

thank you very much for your explanations about the tablet, and let the story and next so transparent as possible.

I had a BUT and to explain, and a further question to ask which was not exposed on the blog.

Let me introduce it...
Decision is down that the tablet will be out again for a small amount.
And after the explanations, i understand that is really not possible to build the product further, even if with the best motivation.
Then Jolla provide his OS for tablet too, there is currently just few ports on other tablets (most of them are android one).
But that are not fully supported, are not official too.
The only one which could have all the attention of jolla officially and fully supported is now discontinued.
Then there is again no tablet any more.

By jolla I had the ambition to get away from the actions of the big 3 (ios, android, winf).
Something European, more private sphere friendly, and transparent, from founder who is more aware from the community need. It meant for me, that i would have this for my phone and tablet (still have old android one).
Until now i'm happy with jolla and philosophy.

Do jolla have any plans for the short terms and especially for the long term concerning to have a official fully supported tablet?

How may i and others get a tablet which has sfos fully supported from jolla and officially?

Thank you very much in advance for understanding, and answering.
And enjoy for a well constructive discussion.

Cheers

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Most likely they will share more news about the situation and whatnot in a few weeks at MWC '16.

source: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2016/mer-meeting.2016-01-28-14.30.log.html

Sawyer ( 2016-01-29 11:03:46 +0200 )edit

@Sawyer yes i think or better said i hope... i had expected too, after a blog information beginning January. That is a question that i would give them that they could prepare on calm.

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 11:37:48 +0200 )edit

I also suggest on the following:

Jolle should revise Jolla Tablet Project:

Jolla or Jolla could license Jolla Tablet -TM for some Company, and Jolla Tablet production should be revised as follows:

-Tablet with SIM and Wifi only. - Tablet should contain also internal hdmi output. etc. -Price should lie between e.g., 300 to 450 euros ... -Tablet should be sold only by Jolla Shop and some other shops. Not by IGG.

We need Jolla Tablet. And after Jolla tablet, when everything has reached top results, the we are ready to talk about Jolla Smarth Watch etc.

That is my dream as Jolla user and fan

N9Sailfish ( 2016-01-29 18:51:06 +0200 )edit

When reading the blog update this question bugged me too again. Even more so with the confirmation that the Jolla Tablet is dead. While I hope that Jolla comes up with some deal licensing/supporting SFOS on 3rd party hardware I'm not very hopeful that this will be any time soon, sadly. (not just for the tablet because the phone is getting old too). For myself I'll see what MWC'16 brings

Andre ( 2016-01-31 18:54:06 +0200 )edit

answered 2016-01-29 12:09:07 +0200

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updated 2016-01-29 13:13:14 +0200

Jolla won't do any OS adaptions anymore. They burned some million $s tuning an OperatingSystem for a hardware platform which never materialized. They learned their lesson and are only working on the applications which run on their OS. Because without applications, there's no need for an OS. And if there are enough valuable applications, they can convince hardware vendors to deploy their "OS", since vendors choose the best matching ecosystem supporting their products, not an OS which could run yet to create applications on their hardware.

They realized that their (2 years matured) ecosystem is currently far way from being competitive with others, and that even core applications like "Gallery", "Email", "Browsers", "Dialer", aso. are still severely broken and in alpha state for more than 2 years now, and that supporting x86 hasn't helped in any way, instead it weakened their market position severely, since now SfOS had to contend even more, much stronger competitors/alternatives (Win/Ubuntu).

Also, they realize that no hardware vendor will try to sell devices for which users would have better experiences if they choose one of the established ecosystems.

So their #1 priority is now to bring their ecosystem into operation, which means extending the "store" to make apps purchasable, so that 3rd party coders get interested in SfOS.

Update: While overhauling the store, they'll find its contradictory referencing one's device IMEI for technically organizationally purposes, and claiming to be specifically privacy aware. They'll use an ID not readable by arbitrary apps and not remotely identifying a account owner.

Then they put together a team of their most skilled coders to fix all of the core applications which aren't completely OpenSource. Some might become OpenSource instead.

Then they develop a new reference design for ARM based tablets and phones and sell licenses to far-east-e|i-junk-emitters, which will sell millions of low-priced, but user-friendly and fully software-featured devices to all kind of consumers, which will bring attention and demand to SfOS – not the OS SfOS, but the ecosystem SfOS. They realize that's the only way to survive, not to sell some tenthousand "unlike" devices, for which you can't even purchase wearing spare parts before EOL.

Afterwards they'll take a considerable amount of their earnings to produce a own, high-quality series (of ARM tablets and phones) with long-term-support.

Meh, waking up isn't fun today :-(

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@Mano, please don't speak in place of others. That is definitively not your responsability.
I agree that you are free to express your mind. But please make an effort that it is in this way expressed.

And i Disagree with you, they spend money in a device which would be discontinued.
No one told about a platform which never used.
Would you please give a source on it?
Motivation of jolla is to have an os in a wide range of display, that is for sure.
Then for cpu range i don't don't know. ARM is currently far enough wide for small device until 10" displays.

I'm slowly annoyed about those kind of hater or non-constructive interventions.
Please don't feed confusion.

thx

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 13:29:35 +0200 )edit

@Mano if you have so an huge problem with jolla and his ecosystem. why are you still here?

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 13:31:01 +0200 )edit

@cemoi71, sorry if my "waking up isn't fun today" doesn't express strong enough that this answer just reflects my very personal opinion and wish, I'm dreaming about.

I am not using SfOS ecosystem :-(

I'm still here because I hope at some day, I will be able to eventually use my purchased JollaPhone.

Which isn't possible atm, I have to stay with my screw-loosing Nokia E7. Just read some of the topics matching [feature request]. I'm by far not the only one having severe problems with SfOS's ecosystem. So I considered it worth expressing my personal dreams/sarcasm/critic and see if those, waiting even much longer than me for so many missing features above the OS layer, agree. You don't; fair enough.

Mano ( 2016-01-29 13:56:32 +0200 )edit

to speak in a constructive way by giving feeling. it would be appreciated that the message would appears in an other format.

Bring your theme here if you need it, and all could discuss and help about arranging it, or for finding an alternative.
There is no problem, but just solutions. And jolla teams make the rest with the time that they need, for a small team.

Dreaming is good, discuss and changing is better. And patience help for this.

Please don't take it as an offence. But your reaction let me remember about the impatience of a child, who want to get absolutely his toy.
Of course you are not one (even hough sometimes i tell to me: we all adult we are just some old child).
Anyway just not take it as offence, is just my feeling as i read your post. nothing more.
Would be appreciated, that to change it in a adapted way, when you have time.
thx in advance for understanding

cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 14:24:29 +0200 )edit

"Which isn't possible atm" ??? Why it is not possible to use it? I use it every single day.

richdb ( 2016-01-29 14:49:08 +0200 )edit

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