Suggestions for the SFOS3 new top menu

asked 2018-11-02 11:17:32 +0200

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updated 2018-11-14 23:12:41 +0200

rozgwi
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Thanks for the latest update of SFOS and thanks for the new top menu accessible from anywhere. I always used a patch for that before, now it's built in. However, I have some suggestions for improvement:

I love the smaller ambience buttons, but I'd like to have them below all the other menu items as before (maybe you can make that configurable?).
I'd love to be able to remove the lock button, as I don't need it and it would give me more space for other elements (maybe you can make that configurable?).
I'd like to be able to remove the text below the buttons. It's not needed and it would free even more space (maybe you can make that configurable?).
I'd like to be able to remove the settings button in the lower right (maybe you can make that configurable?). A long press could enable organising mode (as before) and the general top menu settings are available through system settings.

I could continue, but those are the 4 most "important" improvement suggestions from me. Thanks for listening.

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With one addition: make it possibile to add all settings into the top menu as was possible in the event screen settings.

rgrnetalk ( 2018-11-02 11:34:51 +0200 )edit

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Lock button in top menu (yes vor not) should be configurable.

s_mario ( 2018-11-02 12:53:27 +0200 )edit

Yeah. Sorry. I ment that, but did not explicitly say so. I'll edit the question.

naytsyrhc ( 2018-11-02 13:15:52 +0200 )edit

Yes, I agree especially on points 1, 2 and 4. But how to put ambiances between top menu and lock button? I think what's broking here is that lack of uniformity... the lock button should be consistent with the ambiance position (lock button as a square with ambiances now, or ambiances as before, or the two solutions as a choice in configuration).

d ( 2018-11-04 13:01:45 +0200 )edit

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I agree with all you said and all of it should be customizable. My wife's Jolla C has a barely functioning power button, so the lock icon on the top menu is essential.

Nova ( 2018-11-12 12:22:26 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-02 12:36:25 +0200

leszek
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updated 2018-11-02 13:43:23 +0200

Just to add another idea that can be voted for in this thread.

Please add time and date somewhere in the top menu. So I can still see the time or take a look at which date we have currently. Might be handy as with the date it shows more than just the time like you can see by peeking from left or right.

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somewhere?, where?, space will have to be allocated for time and date, perhaps in between Ambience and the first row of controls?, we are very limited for space.

More to the point, we can still 'peek' when the top menu is open.

Spam Hunter ( 2018-11-02 13:07:13 +0200 )edit

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Old (SfOS1) peek was so much better in that regard :)

Mohjive ( 2018-11-02 13:22:02 +0200 )edit

To the where. Maybe top left? I mean the lock icon does not take the whole space from left to right so it can fit there.

leszek ( 2018-11-02 13:27:15 +0200 )edit

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Now hold the power button, the space that is occupied by the lock icon is now taken up with Restart and Shutdown icons, so I suppose the time/date could disappear when the Shutdown/Restart menu is called.

I think this is something that will likely be a third party production rather than something being added by Jolla.

Spam Hunter ( 2018-11-02 13:40:51 +0200 )edit

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Exactly.

Though another idead that came to my mind and is more likely and easier to implement I think is showing the date underneath the clock on normal peeking so it does not involve the top menu anymore.

leszek ( 2018-11-02 13:44:08 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-03 14:31:10 +0200

rhodos
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updated 2018-11-04 15:11:04 +0200

I was sick and stayed at home yesterday - being bored and all did a little design research. I don't (yet) have a Sailfish phone but I admire their work, especially in the design department. This is not to critique(or even to make a suggestion) but to kill time. And probably design suggestions are the last thing on the priority list right now anyway.

Edit 1: Media Player Integration would make for a more intuitive usage

Edit 2: Gestures could be used(if preferred) on top of the Media Player Controls to play Next/Previous song and "long press + gesture" could be used for FastForward or VolumeControl

Edit 3: For the gesture-lovers (@vattuvarg). Same number of steps as before. This way the SearchBar is gone and there is more space. And to help the users there is a hint for the swipe direction and what the swipe do.

1) Swipe down to open Top Menu -> 2) Swipe down second time to open Search -> 3) Type

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Nice idea to include a quick search functionality.

naytsyrhc ( 2018-11-03 14:41:39 +0200 )edit

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What would those mockups look like if the UX was based on gestures instead of buttons?

vattuvarg ( 2018-11-03 19:34:14 +0200 )edit

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The problem I have with pure gestures is the following. First we need to understand if the gestures are going to be used system-wise and for what. If it is for quick navigation like it is in Sailfish there is no problem. You just swipe to trigger the wanted screen. Then you have the combination Navigation approach used be Apple - for example to see the opened apps swipe Up and then Hold. Which is one additional step but lets say still manageable. Every other navigation is basically the same as in Salfish. Second you can have the menu(drawer) gestures. To simplify their usage one would probably standardize them so they are the same for every app. But then there is a problem - what if the item/app doesn't have the functionality used by the gesture. Simply do nothing is not an answer because you put strain on the user to memorize what functionality each item/app have or don't have. Third you can have in-app gestures like Spotify(iOS) for example - from the home menu you can swipe Up the Artist-Song-Album information bar and bring up the Player. So the OS provider should manage where, what and how to handle all these situations. Fourth too much of anything is bad for the user. Have only what is needed and nothing more. Simplify 'till there is nothing else to simplify. Less actions will make everything faster to operate and easier to comprehend. Last - use your hardware with maximum efficiency. Sadly not many companies these days make hardware design that is worthy. If you have ever shoot with DSLR you would probably understand. On a DSLR (or mirrorless even better) you have buttons and knobs to quickly change the setting. Compare that with lower class camera. Both systems will have the same functionality but on the lower class system it will take ages to change a setting because you have menu inside a menu inside a menu. The same goes for the new MacbookPro and the TouchBar - the content is different for each app and you need to memorize it!

rhodos ( 2018-11-03 20:10:22 +0200 )edit

So you cannot see any advantages with gestures?

vattuvarg ( 2018-11-03 21:06:11 +0200 )edit

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So my answer is why make it complicated when you can just Tap it (sorry, that sounded dirty :D). Gestures may be fashionable thing right now but they shouldn't be overused.

rhodos ( 2018-11-03 21:10:29 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-04 12:52:55 +0200

liqquid
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updated 2018-11-04 12:58:49 +0200

Hi,

I like the new top menu (not the style, looks like an android phone, cheap crappy design sorry...) but I don't like the place where I need to use due to I also use a lot of close app gesture. I tried to get used to the new location of the close app gesture but I very often swipe down the top menu instead, again and again!

In my opinion that would be the best way if we could activate the top menu from the top left side (left 50% of the top edge) of the screen and we could close the apps from the top right side (right 50% of the top edge) of the screen. So it would be much harder to swipe down the top menu accidentally instead of closing the current app.

A reboot and a shut down button is missing for me from the top menu!

(please vote this up guys if you feel the same) Thanks!

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Yes, better gestures and a shut down button under lock screen, I agree!

d ( 2018-11-04 13:06:02 +0200 )edit

Perhaps the close gesture is alright from both corners (if you hold the phone in your right hand ?), but the 'close swipe' area is just too narrow ?

Upp15 ( 2018-11-04 22:25:33 +0200 )edit

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Yes, exactly, they are too narrow so I usually accidentally pull down the top menu instead of closing the app... that is why I think this idea would be a good solution.

liqquid ( 2018-11-04 22:28:03 +0200 )edit

How about 33% - 33% - 33% ? Now it seems to be something like 25% - 50% - 25%.

Upp15 ( 2018-11-04 22:33:57 +0200 )edit

In my opinion 50-50 is better, hard to mix them, you use right side or left side as you need. Easier, don't need to focus too much, in some cases simple is better.

liqquid ( 2018-11-04 22:38:17 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-12 12:06:16 +0200

Nova
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I like the new top menu in SFOS 3, but keep swiping it instead of closing the current open app... This is my idea for calling up the top menu: While in an app, start swiping from the top of the screen and pause for a second (i.e. don't lift your finger), now the top menu appears. Alternatively if you swiped from the top of the screen and didn't pause (i.e. you lift your finger), the app is closed. (Same as close gesture in SFOS 2) image description

@naytsyrhc Sorry for the duplicate question earlier, I'm still finding my feet here on TJC.

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@Nova no problem at all.

naytsyrhc ( 2018-11-12 12:07:27 +0200 )edit

I like the idea of the pause and think it should be used. Either for the top menu as above or for the application pulley menu

Mohjive ( 2018-11-12 12:54:11 +0200 )edit

@Mohjive I agree. It sounds complicated when the gesture is being described, but when actually doing it, it's easy and feels natural.

Nova ( 2018-11-13 07:54:11 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-06 23:33:47 +0200

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updated 2018-11-06 23:41:17 +0200

I see more problems with this new status menu:

When we using phone in landscape position and then bring status menu via swipe down, the whole status menu is still narrow as it is in portrait position. That's very stupid design, because there is a lot of free space in screen, and need scroll the status menu to see all actions in status menu. Also it not behavior like other things in sailfish os; When we are in status menu and we decide to go straight to events screen, it's not possible. No reason either that behavior. For example if I make same thing with app launcher it will go directly to the events screen. Just one swipe (instead two swipes) to reach the events screen no matter where we are.

I also mention same thing what other people said earlier; I missing shutdown button and restart button in status menu.

That's my opinion of this new status menu. Perhaps after we got update where finally full landscape/universal landscape support is added to smartphones, so at same time Jolla changes status menu to use whole screen space.

And hey there can be compromises; just add a lot of options to tweak status menu, so everybody is satisfied this way. Like some people suggested earlier.

Oh and I have more ideas but as other are already posted new questions where same thoughts/ideas are mentioned so no need to mention them in this speech.

After all I'm very unsatisfied for this new status menu, it's so many ways bad. :( I afraid that Sailfish lost more the unique and innovative features and so on. So obiviously #unlike will be gone :(

And now I end this speech.

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The narrow manu was in SfOS2 as well iirc, and was bad back then as well. They should have fixed it for SfOS3 imo.

Mohjive ( 2018-11-12 12:47:42 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-07 10:41:54 +0200

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Something I miss: possibility to change and see the status of my xmpp account (like the green bar in Ultimate Statusbar patch and the switch in powermenu2).

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Great idea for a quick action (now called shortcut?).

naytsyrhc ( 2018-11-07 12:02:22 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-03 13:53:47 +0200

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Ahem, I like the ambience buttons on top. Now you can use them as designated: Switch between setups. I now have a day ambience (light) and a night ambience (dark) with different tones and volumes. A moving of the main blocks in menu would help (Because I'd like to have the sliders more to the top)

The fast close like in 1.x would be nice (like Swipe To Lock patch on openrepos)

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That's why I suggested it to be configurable. After using it for a while I'm not sure anymore if it is better on top or on bottom.

naytsyrhc ( 2018-11-03 14:45:20 +0200 )edit

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answered 2018-11-10 22:50:53 +0200

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I would like to see a option to disable the top menu on the lock screen. There is no reason for me to see the status of the connections on a locked phone, and the option to open the settings and apps from the lock screen is at best irritating even if you cant see them running on a locked phone

And the settings button should bring you to the settings and not give you a extra option to go to settings or organize

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answered 2018-11-07 04:16:09 +0200

ttommila
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updated 2018-11-07 08:38:08 +0200

...something I'm missing since a long time is a fast control for vibration. I don't understand why this made avaible foe the new top menu or ambiances. Is there some technical challenge or why is this only aviable in the settings and no faster way?

I'm using my phone basically 95% of the time without sounds but just switching rhe vibration on ( mostly during the day) and off (mostly during the night).

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answered 2018-11-12 11:21:21 +0200

sepuka
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So called "Top menu" is fine but the way how it is implemented is very bad and not intuitive at all. I would suggest updating swipe from left (that is somehow half way there but not really) instead of breaking the swipe from top. Swipe from top should remain for closing apps (locking the device). Breaking the screen to parts when sometimes it means go the menu and sometimes you close the apps is not intuitive or quick (yes I have to do the swipe again very often).

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