Support exFAT (sdxc) in Jolla tablet!

For what purpose? Both MTP (USB cable) and SSH (Wireless, USB cable) work independently of what filesystem is used.

and also you got better batery and screen? No thank you.

No thanks - insert Micro SD, format , forget it's there is good enough for me especially if it means bypassing a redundant "standard" by Microsoft.

I don't understand why we aren't getting more standards out of the box? There are enough n00bs out there who just want to use their microSD cards on their Windows pc's. Not everybody is techinical or uses Linux. For the ones that do not want exFAT, just dont use that format. It's simple as that.

I voted for this, exFAT support on Jolla please!

@HtheB because this standards are not free

@virgi26 and how much does it cost for a single license?

I am fairly sure you cannot purchase exfat licenses one-by-one. Hence, impossible to say what the cost would be.

I don't understand why people are so against the exFat licence even when it was already promised to us because of the strechgoal. It is nothing away from the FOSS-crusaders, but one more option (which you will never use because of evil corporations) so why you have to ruin the experience for all the others?

Well, for starters, It costs money that can be better spent elsewhere.

In this pool : https://together.jolla.com/question/68539/poll-file-systems-support-on-sd-card-for-jolla-tablet/ the majority has chosen the option (answer) without exFat support. So Jolla has listened and respected the opinion from the major active part of the Sailfish OS community.

And what we got with this trade of saving license fees? Little bit more batterylife that will last from few minutes to few hours depending on your usage? I call that a loss.

@avhakola, read : https://together.jolla.com/question/78734/official-announcement-jolla-tablet-returns-to-indiegogo-with-updated-tech-specs/ which cites : "Further updates: the battery size has been slightly increased to 4450mAh (previously 4300mAh), the display is fully laminated, and we've added gyroscope and compass sensors. However, proximity sensor will not be included in the Jolla Tablet unlike previously mentioned."

@avhakola I am happy with what we get; better battery life and better screen. That is lot better than exfat support for SD card; If you desire that you can easily install it yourself unlike the new HW enhancements

Were those improvements added because of the dropped exFat support or by something else happening behind the scenes?

I am fairly sure it does not hurt to have extra $300000 in the budget that you otherwice would have to have shelled out for filesystem licenses.

Don't know if the tablets go for the 300000 dollars flat payment or the phone/PC type volume based payment. On one of the topics it was asked if people were ready to pay 2 euros for the support asume the volume price is around that 2 euros and tablets has been ordered what - 10000? Even if we assume they would order 20000 of those, it is still only 40000e, much less than that 300000.

I'd give up morpog, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

The ExFAT issue is really quite simple. It's the standard for SDXC cards. If you want interoperability with Windows, Mac, cameras like most DSLRs, GoPro etc then it's essential.

If you're only a Linux user, don't want to transfer photos from your camera on the move, don't ever take your card out of your tablet, don't want to read sdxc cards from other devices and you're happy with the limitations of fat32 or whatever linux only filesystem Jolla decide to use then you don't need exFAT.

I think it's a real pity that the second set of users with such limited usage cases have completely buggered it up for users who expect more.

https://together.jolla.com/question/68539/poll-file-systems-support-on-sd-card-for-jolla-tablet/ I counted fast around 300+ people asking for no exFat support and the tablet has something between 6000 and 8000 orderers if I have kept my count correct during the campaing. This makes around 5% or less of people who bought the device crying for droping the strech goal and possibly ruining the experience for others - and Jolla submited to their will.

@avhakola. You do realise in your calculations that you automatically assumed everyone who did not vote supported exFAT rather than not giving a flying toss? Trying to fudge the numbers won't win anyone over to your side of the camp.

@Rewarp, and you assume all those people who ordered but didn't vote or don't even use TJC would back you up with this?

@avhakola. No I do not. I am not intellectually dishonest enough to claim non-voters support my stand. As with democracy, it only works for the participants, not Russell Brand or Jon Stewart brand of all choices are bad so don't bother voting crowd.

Just trying to point out that the active TJC doesn't give the real picture what the majority of the people want and instead of jumping the shark and droping the exFat support, Jolla should have asked this on the IGG surveys from everyone and then decide.

@avhakola. Does it not engage the community who bothered to become part of the process? Notice there is no comment section on the Indiegogo campaign page. Jolla even specifically asked people to sign up with an account here so they can gather feedback from the active community. If people want to let others in the community decide what features to keep or hold, that is their right.

From organisation to engagement, I can see Jolla thought through the entire process of community engagement, and the results of the survey truly reflect what the majority feel. Increasing the sample size won't change the result.

Furthermore, if your intention is to increase the sample size until we get a result in your favour, you may as well open the survey to the public. Democracy sometimes works against us, and sometimes for us. We are lucky that Jolla was built on that openness of engagement. If they took your advice and over-rode the wishes of the community who are engaged and committed, this would be the last thing I would ever buy from them.

Increasing the sample size won't change the result. I would argue that the users of TJC are the more tech capable and adaptive to non-standard solutions so this forum surveys could be really skewed from the actual results you would get if you would survey every IGG backer. this would be the last thing I would ever buy from them. This is a two way street, can also be the last device some of use buys because of things like this (now waiting for the "no-one cares if you don't buy anymore of these devices" -reply).

@avhakola. Is it some form of wilful blindness, or did you just happened to forget that I am an IGG backer, and saw the messages for engagement with Jolla was through TJC? I was an IGG backer first, and signed up to TJC later. If the people who wanted exFAT failed to use the tools of engagement the company has provided for input, then it is completely their fault.

Atm TJC has less users than tablet has sold via IGG so wouldn't call few hundred votes for majority of the community or the IGG backers.

Just voted for @Okw's Answer below and downvoted @avhakola's and @Morpog's allready rejected proposal(s) for m$ proprietary exFat-tech support in Jolla Tablet. I'm happy that Jolla wanted to stay #unlike and dropped out that costly closed "standard" from the tablet.

Democracy relies on two-way engagement. I decided to write that first and made it bold because @avhakola thinks democracy is not democracy unless we make sure every person involved in the project votes whether they want to or not. Jolla gave the community TJC, again if the exFAT supporters are truly in the majority, then it's their fault for not following up with the engagement.

BTW: this thread seems to be one of many duplicate(s) of this; https://together.jolla.com/question/6588/support-exfat/

In the original poll I voted for supporting exFAT. The standard is broken, but my idea was that it would probably be better for Jolla in the long run to try to follow the standard anyway (at least for now). The pro-exFAT side lost in that vote and I fully accept that Jolla choose to follow the results. What makes you think a second vote would be different? All arguments I've read here I've already read before in the original poll.

While the discussion has no end, the voting for this topic (asking "Support exFAT (sdxc) in Jolla tablet!") equals to "0" (zero) until now.

It was on minus side at one point so doesn't it being on 0 now mean someone cares about exFat?

It has had several plus votes, the downside is that if you are new here (like me), you only get to upvote, so no matter how much you disagree on an argument it will prevail because of the most active members will keep it up and let the other idea sink to oblivion with downvotes.

@avhakola: Exactly. 0 doesn't mean no votes. It means that the number of positive and negative votes is the same. Which means the community is split 50/50 on this issue.

But that is irrelevant anyway. Jolla either claims a 32+GB SD card support as they promised in which case they have to support exFAT. Or they do not claim a 32+GB support in which case they break the promise they gave on IGG. Simple as that.

@aegis is right. No point talking sense to religious fanatics who are always right by definition. I'm out of here too.

@pichlo I never said it doesn't mean no votes, this topic was on negative rating pretty much right after creation but now it has been hovering either at 0 or +1 for days, so people cared this topic enough to upvote it to at least 0. And they did promise to support SD cards up to 128gb in the first strech goal and that is what grinds people. If they never had promised such thing, we wouldn't feel like betrayed and be ranting here.

@pichlo Jolla doesn't have to support exFAT at all. exFAT isn't the unique and possible file system for microSD cards, be it <= 32GB or > 32GB. You know that. Jolla just can't use SDXC logo (which imposes exFAT), but it can use the SD or SDHC logo.

About "religious fanatics", typical of people without arguments. pichlo, you have offended me in TMO. So you are repeatting the offense not only to me, but to all who think different than you.

By the way, I've voted for exFAT support in 03/12/2014, but I respect the Sailfish community majority.

@avhakola, I wrote that to support you. @raketi's post squeezed between yours and mine and made it look odd.

@rcolistete, if you are so easily offended, then perhaps you should stay out of internet discussions. Especially when all your arguments are based on your believes and not on facts. But don't worry I said I'm out of here and so I am. This is my last post in this thread, only to clear the misunderstanding with@ avhakola.

@pichlo I will not stay out of any discussion due to some non-educated, non-polite people like you, who offend people, attack ad hominem when you have no arguments. Staying out of discussions due to be offended would obviously give a premium gift to the offenders. Nice try, but no way.

@rcolistete show me the >32gb SDHC-card, the strech goal was clearly ment for SDXC-support.

I have an 64GB microSDXC card on my Jolla smartphone, ext4 formatted. As it doesn't have exFAT anymore, it can't be called microSDXC, so it is a microSDHC card. 8-)

Now you are just trying too hard since we all know you can't get >32gb SDHC cards from stores, they come with FAT32 preformated anyway (so would your card even be SDHC-card like you say?) and after all your card is still SDXC card just reformated with different filesystem unless you are using only the 32gb of the capasity.

microSDXC without exFAT can't be called microSDXC. Without exFAT, it is a microSDHC card. And it is possible to format microSDXC 64/128GB card with FAT32. But I don't want to, I like file permissions, etc, of ext4.

Seems to me that this thread is just for @avhakola, @pichlo and @aegis to trash this community calling Together an asylum and calling supporters of Jolla and #open tech as lunatics, FOSS-fanatics etc.. Does this kind of M$/proprietary/closed/ecosystem-advocacy and narrow-minded fanboyism that attacks community members personally really belong to TJC, or any open technology user, dev or support community forum? Why isn't this thread already closed as too subjective/not-a-question/non-constructive etc. or just for being full of abusive ad-hominem "argumentation"..?

@rcolistete so if I own car brand X and swap the combustion engine to hybrid- or electricengine or flash the internal computer with custom firmware I can't call it brand X anymore, but brand Y? Like Porsche 911 becomes something like VW 911 or Porsche Jetta?