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Will python 3 or micropython ever be built in?

asked 2015-02-04 00:49:42 +0300

rdmo gravatar image

updated 2015-04-29 18:36:02 +0300

tl;dr The lack of built-in python was a big surprise.

Even with several stakeholders to the Jolla product but user-customers ought to be able to perceive they are somewhere near the top. It is not in Jolla Store. I know python is available as an add-on.

For me that's truly missing the point. Python (admittedly like bash, awk, sed, and friends already present) adds convenience and a staggering amount of mature programs in a public, long-supported place.

Please, include python by default in the updated Jolla experience.

If there are major blocks, please say what they are, or that they exist.

No Python in Jolla Store ~!== Synaptic

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considering that they cant even update the ancient sailfishos version on newly shipped jolla phones I would think that including python out-of-the-box isn't likely to happen today, or yesterday.

However, given that python apps are now allowed in harbour, its likely that they will include python in the normal tablet build.

r0kk3rz ( 2015-02-04 10:39:52 +0300 )edit

What extra value does that screenshot bring to your question?

Okw ( 2015-04-29 19:44:36 +0300 )edit

do you really need to keep bumping your questions without any more information?

r0kk3rz ( 2015-04-29 19:57:02 +0300 )edit
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What difference having Python shipped by default will make to the end-user? Python is pulled automatically, without the user noticing, when installing an app that requires it: and that's how it should be done, IMHO.

SailfishOS is a Linux distribution, but it's still designed for embedded devices.

And anyway, from my point of view having Python (--> the interpreter) installable from the store is wrong: it may be interactive, but it still requires a terminal (which the user may not have) and it's pretty much useless, unless one does a QML interface to it (and that may be an idea for a 3rd-party app).

g7 ( 2015-04-29 20:01:00 +0300 )edit

The use? Satisfied customers. I am an end user who wants it. Might as well argue for not having any shell by that reasoning, @g7. I would have probably bought a Jolla if all it had was text mode and a camera/video player/editor. Instead there is prettiness misnamed usability, and too often features getting in the way of function. Call me crazy if you like.

rdmo ( 2015-04-29 21:34:50 +0300 )edit

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answered 2015-02-04 08:29:59 +0300

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Actually, Python applications are now allowed in Harbour:

https://together.jolla.com/question/6116/python-application-support-in-jolla-store-harbour/?answer=23476#post-id-23476

So, application developers can write apps that rely on Python. If you just want to run python scripts or such yourself, then you probably have developer mode and fingerterm, in which case you can install Python from the repos.

So, although technically I guess it might still not ship with the phone itself as first installed, hey, it's actually quite deliberate that a fresh Jolla doesn't have many apps or libs installed! (I forget, is the music app even installed by default?) So no worries, Python and apps relying on Python are now treated as first-class citizens.

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answered 2015-02-04 08:16:22 +0300

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updated 2015-02-04 08:20:30 +0300

My Jolla has both python & python3. image description

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The only GNU/Linux distribution I ever used that did not come with Python already aboard is this one. Likewise wrt makeand even pico. Grumble, grumble. I wouldn't buy a tablet with such hobbled features. I would probably try to get a tablet that comes with Blender, as that does have Python built in and a bit more besides.

rdmo ( 2015-03-23 22:49:27 +0300 )edit

I tried:

    [nemo@Jolla v6]$ rpm -qi python3 # package python3 is not installed
    [nemo@Jolla v6]$ which python3 ######## /usr/bin/python3 ########
    [nemo@Jolla v6]$ which python # which: no python ...

I think it might be because I installed gpodder.

Is there a command that can tell me when python3 came aboard my Jolla?

python3 at the shell prompt brings up the Python prompt.

rdmo ( 2015-05-19 18:05:16 +0300 )edit

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rdmo ( 2015-05-19 19:05:46 +0300 )edit
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