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Jolla as only phone

asked 2015-06-12 12:23:54 +0300

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updated 2015-06-12 12:25:21 +0300

Hello,

I love the concept of the Jolla phone, and I'm seriously considering getting one, but I need a reliable phone (let's define that as "going for a full month before it needs a reboot if I'm just texting and making calls"). I need the battery to last for at least 5 days if the phone is on with only basic conectivity and very short calls (no more than 5 minutes / day). And I need to be able to service it for a long time before I have to get another phone (basically use it until it's completely destroyed).

I've done my homework online, and this is what I found so far:

  1. The Jolla phone warranty is 1 year for the phone and 6 months for the battery. I think in the EU all electronics need to have at least 2 years warranty, but in any case, 6 months for the battery is not that much, and it doesn't seem possible to buy separate extra batteries. That would seem to imply that if the battery dies after 6 months you need to throw away the phone. Am I missing something?

  2. I don't remember if this was Internet hearsay or Jolla official information, but it seems that Jolla is in it mostly for the OS, which it intends to give away to third party hardware manufacturers to use in exchange for a percent of the profits from handset sales. If that's true, what's the future of the Jolla phone? Could I reasonably expect to be able to get a Jolla phone serviced a couple of years from now?

I should mention that I'm a UNIX software developer, so SSH-ing into the phone and tweaking things (such as disabling the NFC systemd service to conserve battery power) does not scare me at all.

So, do you think I could reasonably expect to use a Jolla relatively trouble-free for at least 3 years (but hopefully ~5), with good battery life and an expectation for some form of hardware service? I do understand and respect where Jolla is coming from, but I need reliability and safety above coolness (of course, ideally all the factors should be present).

Thanks!

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answered 2015-06-14 10:08:12 +0300

updated 2015-06-14 10:09:29 +0300

I'm using Jolla as my only phone since approximately mid 2014. It's a joy every single day.

I should mention that I'm a UNIX software developer

As a technical person, you will value the provided periodic updates of the operating system very much.

CVEs including OpenSSL bugs are being patched rather quickly and this is imho the most important unique selling point which Jolla has to offer to technical people. I don't know any other company which updates their consumer products that good.

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I do appreciate the OS, that's why I'm looking at Jolla. I'm just worried about the hardware in the Jolla phone (actually I'm most worried about the battery - that it's not great, but most of all that replacements are very difficult to obtain). I will most likely end up with a Sailfish OS phone, I'm just trying to understand if the Jolla phone is it.

If I understand things correctly, the phone is a proof-of-concept.

redblack ( 2015-06-14 13:46:18 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-12 13:26:01 +0300

Larswad gravatar image

updated 2015-06-12 13:32:20 +0300

I need the battery to last for at least 5 days if the phone is on with only basic conectivity and very short calls (no more than 5 minutes / day).

Forget it, at least with the battery time since the last releases. Be lucky if you manage two days with moderate use. But the whole use case on the other hand is strange, why buy a smart phone if you only want to use it for calling?

So if you use it with some daily web browsing some media playing, messaging, android apps. The battery is sucked dry after just a few hours. I'm not complaining, just saying what it is.

The Jolla phone warranty is 1 year for the phone and 6 months for the battery. I think in the EU all electronics need to have at least 2 years warranty, but in any case, 6 months for the battery is not that much, and it doesn't seem possible to buy separate extra batteries. That would seem to imply that if the battery dies after 6 months you need to throw away the phone. Am I missing something?

I think Jolla Care replaces battery if its within time of warranty. Guess they might have reserved a stock for that. But I don't know if we can be completely sure about that either. This whole battery story is a total disaster if you ask me.

I don't remember if this was Internet hearsay or Jolla official information, but it seems that Jolla is in it mostly for the OS, which it intends to give away to third party hardware manufacturers to use in exchange for a percent of the profits from handset sales. If that's true, what's the future of the Jolla phone? Could I reasonably expect to be able to get a Jolla phone serviced a couple of years from now?

I believe Jolla is not clear on this, serviceability. But if you compare with any other phone...what can you expect after a couple of years in terms of service? Maybe very huge brands, like Apple and maybe the Nexus and Samsung Galaxy ones that's a possibility. With serviceability, do you mean from Jolla Care (paid service from own pocket then I guess) or some other phone service company?

I think you'd be pretty much left with a brick after two years, if something goes bad.

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Be lucky if you manage two days with moderate use. So if you use it with some daily web browsing some media playing, messaging, android apps. The battery is sucked dry after just a few hours. I'm not complaining, just saying what it is.

I have to strongly disagree. I use it as you describe (moderate use) and it lasts 2 days easily. But of course I turn of data and wifi when I don't need it. So either you are traveling a lot with data/wifi turned on, or you have some app on your phone draining your battery, you should check. @redblack, what do you call "basic connectivity"?

To answer about the hardware reliability, it's difficult to say. The hardware hasn't the best quality and many have got hardware problem. Personally, after 1.5 years and no issue, I'm starting to have the issue with the vibrator which get stuck sometimes. But I intend to keep it also at least 3 years.

Sthocs ( 2015-06-12 13:51:02 +0300 )edit

@Larswad: Fair question about buying a smartphone if my main use case is working with dumb phone functionality. I'm only interested in the smartphone functionality if I'm on holiday abroad or in an airport, and so on. And I'd like to be able to take an occasional picture when I don't have my camera. Also, I'd like to occasionally be able to read ebooks. But most of the time, SMS and regular calls only.

Basically I'm only interested in smartphone functionality if I'm not near a proper computer or at least a tablet, which most of the time I am.

@Sthocs: By basic connectivity I mean just being able to make and answer calls and send texts: no WiFi, no packet data, nothing else.

redblack ( 2015-06-12 14:05:03 +0300 )edit

@Larswad: Yes, paid Jolla Care if out of warranty. That would be reasonable for everyone, but I'm not sure that's available at the moment.

redblack ( 2015-06-12 14:18:58 +0300 )edit

@Sthocs: I use Situations to turn off WLAN and Bluetooth when I get outside of home. At home it turns them back on.

What definitely draws battery is the native browser. It just might be that what takes, but nevertheless, one should be able to use a native browser without killing the battery that quick.

If could only use the phone with some longer battery time (maybe up to two days) after only a few of the first Sailfish OS releases. Now its just hopeless. I have not made a clean install of the phone for a few releases back, so it might be one reason if something "dirty" is running in the OS. But, running htop with a delay of one minute between updates doesn't reveal any bad behaving processes or daemons.

It might be the battery itself that starts to drop in efficiency as well. And...well, we know about the thing with getting a new battery, its hopeless.

Larswad ( 2015-06-12 15:12:19 +0300 )edit

@redblack: Ok then I know what you meant. The small repair-shops that you can find around most cities, taking care of very common issues like battery and screen replacement, easy repairs. They are like the TV-repair shops of the old days. They handle repairs to a reasonable price if they can buy spare parts and that I guess only if such parts are hugely available (which is something I doubt about Jolla). But if we talk about Jolla Care itself, I am not sure if they would take on a self-paid repair job. Probably not, they want you to buy a new Jolla which probably then would be just as cheap (or expensive if you'd like to call it that).

Larswad ( 2015-06-12 15:19:55 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-12 13:53:16 +0300

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I should mention that I'm a UNIX software developer, so SSH-ing into the phone and tweaking things (such as disabling the NFC systemd service to conserve battery power) does not scare me at all.

So are you? Then you for sure know that this has close to no effect by now ;)

For your concerns... we are now close to 2 years in, the phone is still being sold so this means Jolla is forced to keep up shop for at least another 2 years for Europe... the batteries, yes not good, but I am not concerned, I use my phone 24/7 since Dec13 the battery degraded its usual 20% and if you treat them right they may last another year (400-600 cycles extended if you keep the charge between 35-75% and the temp <30°)

And after all I don't think Jolla will leave us hanging...

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Well, I don't know that since I don't own a Jolla phone and so I've never been able to test that for myself. :) From what I've read, some people have claimed that it makes a measurable difference (I think some even put tin foil in the other half to prevent the reader from being able to do anything about the chip). But yes, I think some security researchers (EDIT: found the link) took the phone apart and discovered that the actual reading of the chip was a one-time deal when some button was pressed when inserting the other half. Then again, like I said, I obviously haven't had a chance to see for myself.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was that, even if the battery life is not great by default, I wouldn't mind going deep to disable things I don't need if that improves it significantly. The NFC service was just an example.

redblack ( 2015-06-12 14:07:47 +0300 )edit

Now I get where you are coming from... yeah there was a bug in tohd in the early months, but that was fixed long ago. I'd not be worried much about anything... it is a pretty cheap phone with a very good OS in my opinion. (Just had to get something going on a OnePlus, even cyanogen makes me want to throw it against the wall...) Yes there are downsides to a new company but how will they improve without supporting them. If you rather like to wait for another maybe big manufacturer with SFOS, there is a new SFOS manufacturer deal to be announced this summer. But actually I feel confident that Jolla will bring another device in the future, just not as frequent as the usual big phone manufacturers do.

chemist ( 2015-06-12 14:45:56 +0300 )edit

@chemist: I love the ideology behind Jolla and Sailfish. Its the thing that is needed in the cell phone industry with the stiff competition out there with only the large closed, evil, customer hating super-companies like Microkia, Apple, Google and Samsung.

The FOSS and community behind Sailfish is also something I believe is great.

But it doesn't mean that we, as a community, must agree with everything the Jolla do, or what priorities they set. Jolla has stated themselves that we as a community is a great part of their evolution and life, therefore not only positive criticism is useful to them.

I think they still have a lot of important improvements to make on the phone, the first Jolla. I feel the tablet and "other stuff" has overshadowed the development of the phone the last months. My biggest concerns is their information sharing (which Cybette over and over said was something they would improve), their priorities with fixing bugs and usability issues over putting in new features and not the least, fixing the accessory availability problems and the paid apps possibility in store.

Larswad ( 2015-06-12 15:37:04 +0300 )edit

We got the roadmap published lately, what more do you need? For sure Jolla understood by now that after JollaTablet they need to concentrate on the user-experience (a lot). Tablet and Phone are the two required hardware platforms Jolla needed to have a proof of concept device of their own, while IVI would be the next major step, I doubt Jolla will go that path any time soon, so what will be the next priority task? If they listen we will see usability improvements requested Dec13... as that makes the OS even more attractive to manufacturers than the beautiful UI, but don't forget, the rework of the events-view is already one of those UX improvements we are waiting for, browser got lot of rework already (as it is FOSS with community support too) - so step by step they open up and work together with the community to make a better UX. Looking top down, where was naked android 2 years after the first device? And that is powered by a MM$ company...! Knowing early android you know why people paid 800eur for an iPhone rather than buying a 400eur android... looking at SFOS that way, even with yet limited UX, I'd rather buy a SFOS for 500eur than either other option for 200eur (including FF, Tizen, Ubuntu, Cyanogen, maybe even BB but a Passport for 200eur would be tempting at that point)!

chemist ( 2015-06-12 16:15:52 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-12 16:22:31 +0300

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I use my Jolla as only one device and i will not give it away.

Battery dependes on usage:

With all in (extrem heavy usage) you can drain your battery down within 2,5 h. With low usage (nearly all off and almost standby / Dalvik off) it reaches > 4 days

But why don´t charging over night?

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Charging it overnight is not a problem, I just thought that the 5-days without a charge requirement is a nice, clean-cut way of talking about battery performance. Just going on mAh doesn't tell you very much, since it all depends on how the OS uses the battery, and when entering Internet and apps usage into the equation things get even harder to talk about. Thanks for the answer!

redblack ( 2015-06-12 16:32:04 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-29 20:28:03 +0300

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updated 2015-07-07 21:00:20 +0300

Well, I've taken a leap of faith and bought a Jolla phone. While your answers did point out some issues, the enthusiasm of those of you who are into Jolla has convinced me to give it a shot.

I just got it today and the thing is beautifully understated (software and hardware). With no Android stuff going on, wireless turned off and 2G, the battery seems to drop at roughly 1% per hour, which should mean ~4 days before a recharge. I did take a 5 minutes call and I'm talking about what I'm assuming is a fresh battery, so maybe it'll get better before it goes worse.

Anyway, I'm very happy with Sailfish OS. If the phone does end up dead I _think_ I'll try to get another Sailfish OS phone. But it's _very_ early days yet (actually, day, singular - and not even that).

I'm happy to be able to support Jolla in a very small way.

EDIT: I've charged it to 100% at midnight. This morning at 11 AM (11 hours later) the battery was at 97%. I've since taken another 5 minutes call and fiddled with it a bit to disable vibration and touchscreen sounds. It is now 3 PM (15 hours since the full charge) and I'm at 93%. If it keeps going like this, it could go up to 10 days before the battery dies. Of course, I don't expect that, and I wouldn't let it go below 20% before recharging, but it _might_ be possible that my initial 5-days-before-a-recharge goal is reachable.

My setup: 2G only, no GPS, portrait mode, vibration off, touchscreen sounds off, brightness at about half, sleep in 15 seconds, Adroid services off, no Bluetooth, no wireless, no packet data. I only need to turn on the Android stuff on temporarily for a couple of apps (Skype and Google Maps, maybe), then I shut it down when I'm done. Same with the wireless. Let's hope this preview is representative of how the phone will continue to behave.

EDIT 2: 10:40 PM now, 22 hours and 40 minutes since last charged. I made another 5 minutes call, listened to a Hendrix tune to see how good the sound is with the Media app (it's surprisingly good - it's not the best I've heard but not bad, still don't know what DAC is in the Jolla but it's definitely listenable (with a good pair of headphones, obviously, not on the phone speaker)) and read about 10 pages of a book with the native port of FBreader. The battery is at 87%.

EDIT 3: Same setup as before, 48 hours in since last charge, battery is at 76%. No calls, wireless or much fiddling with it today.

EDIT 4: Finally, recharging the phone. It's been 8 days and it's still at 25%, so technically it could have gone to 9 days, but 25% is not really safe in case I do need to really use it. With my usage and a brand new battery it seems to discharge at a rate of roughly 10% / day. I hope this information helps someone. Hopefully by the time I'll need a new battery Jolla will have them in their store.

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A very warm welcome aboard! :)

lakutalo ( 2015-06-29 20:47:10 +0300 )edit

Thank you! :)

redblack ( 2015-06-29 23:04:01 +0300 )edit

@redblack: Nice, welcome on board. I also use the phone as my main phone. Yes the screen is not good visible outside but this also depends on the ambience you use - blue font color is almost invisible. But on the other hand I can not say that other phones are better. Only AMOLED Screens seem to be a bit better.

If you don't need android all the time make sure that you turn off Alien Dalvik engine too. There are several apps in Jolla store or in Warehouse/Openrepos, also patches for patchmanager can do this. you can always check if it's turned off with taskmanagers like lighthouse or crest. If you turn it off you can save up to 30% of battery because all the stupid background processes of android are inactive too. At least this happened for me when I switched from Android Whatsapp to native app

PatsJolla ( 2015-06-30 17:23:56 +0300 )edit

Thanks, yep, that's exactly what I'm doing - the Android engine is off, and indeed the way I've been checking to see it really is off is by using crest. It's easy to turn it off once you install Sailfish Utilities - you can then simply turn it off from the phone's Settings.

I'm fine with the screen brightness, no problem (for me) there.

redblack ( 2015-06-30 22:33:51 +0300 )edit

In not so rainy days I charge Friday after work, only... Nice to hear a plain "I am impressed!" from a new user! Sadly you are not an avg Hipster (me neither) so at some point you may find your phone drained dead within 6 hours but keep it up your way ;) Welcome!

chemist ( 2015-07-02 00:38:41 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-12 16:58:54 +0300

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updated 2015-06-12 17:04:19 +0300

Regarding battery drain: 3 calls 3min each and 5 sms a day, sporadically activating inet for a couple of seconds (just to check mails), flight mode over night, and I have reached almost 10 days already. Phone was about 6 months old and battery had about 60 charging cycles then.

Generally I am trying to avoid too much activity of display and mobile net and I get along quite well. Also I found out that shutting down the phone over night sucks more battery (due to reboot next day) than leaving it in flight mode, so Jolla has got an excellent deep sleep mode.

Personally, the only thing I really miss is being able to accept or decline calendar invitations from Lotus Notes, Outlook or the like, but I am confident that this will be solved in medium term. Next improvement to import ics files is on track already.

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answered 2015-06-14 13:21:31 +0300

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updated 2015-06-14 13:22:27 +0300

I am using a Jolla sinse July 2014. I am considering to buy a new phone already.

What bothers me:
The screen is almost unreadable in sunlight.

Random freezes, that require a restart.

Android app support. Well... let's be honest - native Sailfish apps don't exist yet. I have started loving Android apps and I want to be able to use ANY app with normal integration. For exaple - Facebook messenger is not integrated anymore => have to use Android app that has no integration into the system => no normal notifications. Banking apps lose a few features. The official GoPro remote doesn't work at all. Here maps can't save maps onto the SD card. And there are major problems, there is a ton of small details, that make me cringe.

Browser and memory handling. If I listen to music and browse web, the music is lagging and stopping randomly.

So yeah, I have two options - wait for Sailfish 2.0 hoping that it will impove a lot of things or just buy an Android phone and enjoy the normal apps.

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Well, the display thing (that others have mentioned as well) does not bother me at all, since that's the way I tend to set my phone up anyway to make the battery last. Maybe I'm settling for less than the best, but I have no problem moving over a few meters to use the phone where there's a bit of shade.

As for the music player hanging when I browse the web, that will likely never happen, mostly because I care about my music and I doubt that the Jolla has a good DAC (what DAC does it use, does anybody know?), so I wouldn't be using it for listening to music anyway.

But random freezes do worry me.

redblack ( 2015-06-14 13:38:12 +0300 )edit

Random freezes may be due to btrfs getting out of free space to allocate. In that case you may have to run a balance operation to sort it out. Search TJC and you will learn all about it, and since you are a Unix engineer you won't have a problem doing that yourself! I also had random freezes, once I freed some space and ran btrfs-balance my phone is good as new :)

thisisme ( 2015-06-14 16:23:50 +0300 )edit

@thisisme Fair enough, thanks for the tip!

redblack ( 2015-06-14 17:22:14 +0300 )edit
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answered 2015-06-14 17:46:20 +0300

I have my Jolla phone since December 2013, shortly after its launch. I have started using it as my main phone a few months later, as it took me a while until I set up everything I needed on it (my problem here, not really of the phone, although I was missing at that time the offline navigation, office editing app and a few others).

The main reason I am happy with my Jolla is the fact that it is the best option I can have at this point. As a previous Nokia/Symbian fan, Android and iOS were never an option and will most likely never become one. If you expect a flawless phone, you will probably be disappointed. It's not perfect, but its definitely close (at least in my case).

Sure there are things to improve, but the best thing is that you can contribute to that as much as you can or as time allows you to. From a hardware persepective, I guess all you can do is to either try to have Sailfish OS running on a different phone (this has already been done and progress is being made constantly) or hope for the best in the following releases (looking forward to having my Jolla Tablet).

To answer your questions, I usually charge my phone every night and sometimes I need to use an external battery in the afternoons/evenings if it's a busy day. However, I always have a data connection on (mostly 3G, during the day) and probably average on 1h of talk time daily.

All in all, my advice to you, especially considering your UNIX background, jump aboard and be a part of this great community! :)

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answered 2015-06-14 03:21:11 +0300

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I had to give up after about 9 months of usage as the only phone (and I am not the only one), reasons are e.g.:

  • Phone has shut down out of a sudden repeatedly, e.g. on incoming calls (there are many reports on battery / battery connection problems here)
  • Screen is illegible on a sunny day (also several reports here)
  • Still problems to synchronize phone with desktop easily and reliable (e.g. contacts, calendar, data)

People are claiming that they have no problems whatsoever and even screen legibility is a poor hardware problem on individual devices. But well: I expect Jolla is still selling its first production batch, so how can you be sure to get a better device?

It is also claimed, that Jolla would be listening to its users. Well, if their ideas fit into their plans, yes. If not, they do not care. The screen legibility could easily be enhanced with a user interface providing good contrast (and a font with slightly thicker lines). This has been requested from the very beginning (as option) -- the improvements have been minor since only, I expect simply because a really good-contrast UI does not fit into their idea of a cool design.

I am not using the Jolla phone any longer!

PS: Keep in mind: Who has left the boat is rarely still reading/posting here.

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answered 2015-06-12 17:10:32 +0300

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Answering more to the headline than the issues mentioned in the bread text (and feel free to tell me off, good people, and tell me to turn it into a comment), but:

Jolla is generally speaking totally viable to be used as your only phone, right? I mean, you do occasionally see comments that it would somehow a bad choice for your only phone, unfinished, unpolished and what else, to the extent the issue gets raised up by persons pondering on getting a Jolla for themselves. But that isn't really the opinion of the wider user base, right?

Personally I would never be walking around carrying two mobile phones and paying for the both of them. Luckily, with a Jolla I certainly don't feel the tiniest need for doing so. I get absolutely all my habitual phone things done with it and then some totally new ones made possible only by the manufacturer's approach to the whole phone using thing. I haven't been riddled with any hardware or software issues, barring the boots sometimes by itself one occasionally.

So, is the anything that would actually (still) warrant and justify the question still be asked about in that wording: is Jolla viable as your only phone?

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Thanks for the answer. Well, people _have_ raised the issue on this very forum, sometimes very vocally and in no uncertain terms. I won't link those threads since that's not the point (and it can even turn the discussion unhelpful, which is certainly not my intent). I am perfectly aware that this is a new technology, and that is why I believe the question is legitimate: with something this young, asking the same question 6 months later might get a completely different response. I also believe that raising these issues can, and should, help Jolla anticipate its customers needs (if they care about selling phones, of course).

I'm glad you're happy with your Jolla. Your and @lakutalo's answers make me want to pick one up. Then again, @Larswad thinks things could be improved, so I suppose that warrants the question.

redblack ( 2015-06-12 17:27:29 +0300 )edit

You're totally right about it warranting a question. I'm not going to lie, the speed with which the battery drains itself in use was kind of a surprise for me too and not on the pleasant side. But comparing to everything else gained when switching to Jolla it is something I'm personally ready to live with.

Then again, I phone very little and use my Jolla as a pocket-sized computer more than anything else, so our personal needs may be pretty much the opposite and you may come to different conclusion than me. The battery certainly isn't the strong point of the device, and if it is a specifically important point then it may not be such a viable choice for you personally.

I'm certainly not going to start arguing about anyone's deal breaker issues, after I threw my own Lumia out partly because of the standard Calendar app wasn't to my liking and I wasn't going shell money for 2,5 euro apps to make the phone a tad bit more usable.

teemu ( 2015-06-12 17:48:28 +0300 )edit

I have seen many products appear and grow with and without my initiation and cooperation, but it's always a joy being a part of its evolvement. Therefore I love Jolla, not for the perfection but for what it is going to be, mostly for what it already is - independent and (almost) open.

lakutalo ( 2015-06-12 18:04:54 +0300 )edit

@lakutalo I understand and commend your reasons for being a part of the Jolla experience. I also appreciate diversity and am not a fan of monopolies. But I guess my stance at this point is (and I think there are many people like me): all things being equal, I'd like to get the best non-mainstream phone that fits my needs. This is simply because I don't really care much at all about phones - let's say a new, innovative company starts working on a very special new kitchen utensil: if you only cook once a month it becomes more important to get something that will last for years than to support said company with money and free testing. Even though, have you been passionate about cooking, you'd almost be morally compelled to support them. That's simply because unfortunately we have limited resources (at least I do) and we just can't support everything that deserves to be supported. In my case, I'd rather support a smaller luthier or company like Nash or Collings instead of buying guitars from the big guys, Fender or Gibson. But then I don't have a lot of money left for phones.

Now, I also understand and respect the pressure they're working under and the state of the software, so I don't ask for that much. All I want is this (and for some reason it's this untangible Holy Grail for all smartphone makers): a smartphone that is as reliable, and has a similar battery life, as a good dumb phone when used exclusively as a dumb phone. Please note, without any loaded apps, extra Android bells and whistles, WiFi, etc - airplane mode. Is that a lot to ask?

redblack ( 2015-06-12 18:43:14 +0300 )edit

@teemu Thanks, even the fact that the battery might be problematic is not the main issue, the only problem with the battery is that it's impossible to get another one if the one in your phone dies after a while, and there are no certified 3rd party vendors. I could even live with a quickly draining (within reason) battery if I could replace it (and Jolla specs say quite clearly that the battery is replaceable - except you can't find one). As far as I can tell, somebody at some point got a battery from another manufacturer to work but has been warned that it might damage the phone and that was that.

I could even live with the fact that _at_the_moment_ there are no extra batteries available. But apparently batteries only turned up for a day, were quickly sold out and were never heard of again, with no mention by Jolla about future availability.

redblack ( 2015-06-12 19:22:02 +0300 )edit
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