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We hadn't Jolla tablet, so let's talk about it, it "hardware update" and some other

asked 2015-09-21 19:19:14 +0200

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updated 2015-09-22 15:57:29 +0200

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As you see, it is our "Jolla Tablet". Who don't know yet - it's original - Aigo x86 tablet.

It has Retina display, resolution of 2048 x 1536. So, Jolla said: "We did not feel that the display was good enough for the product and for you, our contributors" here - https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-update/ Ok, that's good. What display could be better? Maybe some new 4k from Sharp? Or beta Innolux products? No. Only we had is "increase in the contrast ratio from 700 to 1000, as well as luminance from 320 to 420". But wait! Ipad2 had same retina 4 years ago. And no one retina display had 320 luminance. I can't find that specs for Aigo, so maybe it possible.

So, at the end, it looks like Jolla must take Aigo x86, put Sailfish OS 2.0 (that was presented on MWC 2015) on it and send to us. That's all. And we pay about 100 EUR for it. (Aigo x86 price 160$)

I think Jolla will delete this post, as my comments in blog.

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iPad2 had resolution of 1024×768 on 9.7" display. Jolla Tablet display has four times the number of pixels on a smaller display.

And yes, Jolla Tablet is based on a generic chinese tablet that is probably based on a reference design from Intel. I assume the Jolla phone was made in similar way, except they customized the design more.

Pornis ( 2015-09-21 20:04:21 +0200 )edit
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Some official clarification from Jolla would be highly welcome. However, Jolla officials will stick to business as usual, supposedly. Any bets?

moosiqpipl ( 2015-09-21 20:05:47 +0200 )edit
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What kind of clarification are you trying to get?

Pornis ( 2015-09-21 20:07:11 +0200 )edit
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@Pornis Clarification on DimaAskets argument being true or false.

moosiqpipl ( 2015-09-21 20:12:03 +0200 )edit
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Thanks you. HaHa...jolla has not even designed the tablet :D This is Awesome. Designed in Finland. anyway. hope to get mine any day now!

Why didn't jolla just focused on SAIL and adopt3 and late user buy this tablet and the BOOM. no HW within jolla organization.

Dave999 ( 2015-09-21 20:16:29 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-09-22 15:46:07 +0200

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updated 2015-09-22 15:51:26 +0200

Simply, this is how the hardware industry works.

  • The actual cost of a piece of hardware is not only the cost of the materials or manufacturing, but the cost of development which mostly manifests in the salary you pay for your engineers, testing, and the price of making prototype batches.
    This implies that the more you sell of your device, the more the development costs are distributed accross your customers, so each customer has to contribute a smaller ratio to the development costs and the lower you can go with the price.
  • If you don't have a big team of electronic engineers, you don't have the slightest chance of designing any hardware of your own. Even if you do, the time and cost probably makes it an unviable solution for everyone but the biggest companies whose products are sold in the greatest numbers.
    For example, the guys at Neo900 are designing their own PCB and everything. See how well they are progressing how well they can keep their promised time frame.
  • The only choice for small companies is to use a so-called reference design that somebody had already designed and is manufacturing in economically viable quantities. If you find a reference design that more or less contains the actual hardware you need, you can then start negotiating with its manufacturer about your customizations. If you get lucky, you can change a few details of the actual product before giving it to your end users.
  • Actual hardware manufacturers are usually not very helpful with software. You have to deal with their old, outdated kernel version and all sorts of bugs on your own.
  • Once you get a deal on a reference hardware with customizations, you still have to make it work, make it perform well enough to be sellable, weed out hardware bugs (those are real tricky) and then you can start working on getting your software up and running on it.

As a summary, Jolla can call itself lucky for being able to find a manufacturer who is willing to work with them and let them make their unusual OS work on it. Kudos to them for not giving up!

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excellent answer!

jobe-m ( 2015-10-11 22:59:46 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-21 20:12:06 +0200

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updated 2015-09-22 17:26:23 +0200

Jolla Tablet has also better battery (4300mAh vs 4450 mAh) and more flash storage (16 GB vs 32/64 GB), not just better display. There are different display manufactures with the similar size and resolution but otherwise different specs. Tablets are likely based on the same original design but Jolla has customized hardware to be somewhat better.

22.9.2015 UPDATE: official word from Jolla (https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-operations/)

JuhaniLassila on September 22, 2015 at 5:18 pm

Hi raron,

The honest reason for the silent period was that we we’re working hard to get all the pieces together, and didn’t have much to update during that time.

For your other question: it’s quite common nowadays for smaller device vendors operating in different markets to share some aspect of the product details, such as hardware design elements, to balance costs. This is what happened here too. Aigo is sold in mainland China, where the Jolla Tablet is not available, and thus certain elements have been shared.

As already stated here, Jolla Tablet is a lot different from a HW point of view. It has a significantly better fully laminated display, different USB connectors and censors. Also the color and material definitions are completely different, even though they might look the same. Just to mention a few things.

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And Jolla has hall-sensor.

Aigos's processor: Quad Core 1.33GHz

Jolla's processor: Quad-core 1.8 GHz

HarhaanJohtaja ( 2015-09-21 20:34:54 +0200 )edit
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jPad also comes with Sail and not Android. That must count for something?

Dave999 ( 2015-09-21 20:43:52 +0200 )edit
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+1 karma just for jPad :D

tortoisedoc ( 2015-09-21 20:50:39 +0200 )edit
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Both has Intel Atom Z3735F. Frequency could be changed optional.

DimaAsket ( 2015-09-21 21:31:25 +0200 )edit
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@DimaAsket: Hhigher frequency means more expensive soc... and what is the question?

Philippe De Swert ( 2015-09-22 01:00:56 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-22 17:27:23 +0200

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updated 2015-09-22 17:30:17 +0200

Juhani Lassila in the latest tablet related blog post has explained these similarities:

For your other question: it’s quite common nowadays for smaller device vendors operating in different markets to share some aspect of the product details, such as hardware design elements, to balance costs. This is what happened here too. Aigo is sold in mainland China, where the Jolla Tablet is not available, and thus certain elements have been shared.

As already stated here, Jolla Tablet is a lot different from a HW point of view. It has a significantly better fully laminated display, different USB connectors and censors. Also the color and material definitions are completely different, even though they might look the same. Just to mention a few things.

That also explains why the Jolla Tablet isn't available in China anymore.

I'm satisfied with this response and can't wait to get my hands on the tablet :)

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Not to mention all the fixes that we put in the hw adaptation that are not in the odm shipped android that will come with it. In the kernel alone we cut boottime by more than 20s...

Philippe De Swert ( 2015-10-14 14:22:49 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-21 20:25:29 +0200

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updated 2015-09-21 20:28:52 +0200

http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_tablet-6816.php seems batter life is similar?

Even if it is an aigo; who gives a f? If the display is as good as promised; the battery life the same; the rest of the specs as promised, for me it can also be a Fiat 500 with a screen and ill be happy.

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"When I grow up, I will be a Ferrari.” -Fiat

raketti ( 2015-09-21 20:36:25 +0200 )edit
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basically. its a first-party sailfishos device, theres currently not a whole lot of options if that is what you want

r0kk3rz ( 2015-09-21 23:11:59 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-22 11:40:20 +0200

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This just confirms how difficult it is for a very small company to get into the hardware business. I would like to see it become easier to install Sailfish on other manufacturers' existing devices, but of course this is just as difficult. I have yet to see a full port of Sailfish onto an Android or Nokia/Microsoft device. I would love to attempt to hack a phone myself, but I don't have the time or knowledge of Linux.

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Or how easy if you don't have to design the schematics but just shop for a full platform? Today any software company can go to Taiwan or China and choose a reference platform for building a laptop, mobile phone, embedded system or tablet. It is all a matter of proper communication of your needs towards the hardware maker and estimate which hardware they offer you can support. If you would want to work at Nokia hardware standards that would be another question (speakers, camera, drop testing, exclusive design and non common features etc..)

vandersmash ( 2015-09-22 14:35:13 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-10-14 04:59:52 +0200

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Did it come with a charger? Because the Jolla isn't going to have one apparently

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No, there's no charger delivered by default. If you're an IndieGoGo backer, then you can add one to your purchase while finishing your order. I have no idea how much the charger will cost. You can read about the accessories in their blog.

raketti ( 2015-10-14 09:27:02 +0200 )edit

asdf23 was asking about the Aigo x86 tablet. Not the Jolla Tablet

Axion ( 2015-10-14 22:50:37 +0200 )edit

Oh, well then... isn't this a together.jolla.com? But, maybe Google/Yandex/Baidu/Bi... :DDDD no, seriously don't try Bing. :D But would you buy an Aigo just because it might come with a charger? Or would you buy it to get a charger? Or are you suggesting that Jolla bought a sh*it load of Aigo tablets and kept the chargers for themselves and are now swimming in a charger sea and drinking vodka redbull to get charged? ...Sorry... it's 7 a.m. and I should do some work... :D

Edit: As you can see from the Aigo product page the package includes the following:

  1. 1 x Charger
  2. 1 x USB cable

So to finally give an answer (after understanding your question - I'm running a bit slow these days), yes the Aigo x86 comes with a charger. :)

raketti ( 2015-10-15 07:17:09 +0200 )edit
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