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why not donate money for Jolla?

asked 2015-11-21 11:06:51 +0200

Dreej gravatar image

Should Jolla start a Indiegogo campain to help themselve and us? I think yes. Jolla have 107000 likes on Facebook and 9000 users on together Jolla. If 10000 People donate only 10€, so they have at the end 100000€ more cash. I would even be willing to pay more. This could be a other way of people power.

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I appreciate ideas like this, but they really have fundamental flaw of underestimating cost of human resources. Jolla had 50 million euro for 3 or so years. That 100 000 € is one persons 1 year wage with all mandatory costs added for employer. To keep all 100 persons going on you would need 10 000 000€. And I doubt Jolla employees have been slacking so there might not be much to cut in expenses from. At least not if you wanted to keep development running.

Manatus ( 2015-11-21 12:02:21 +0200 )edit

In my view it's not a charity matter but an entrepreneurial issue. 1) Show a winning strategy. 2) Get money to implement it.

objectifnul ( 2015-11-21 14:18:47 +0200 )edit

We did. About 250 euros each. Don't get sucked into sunk cost fallacy. I'll take a wild guess that Jolla the software company stays afloat a little bit longer and Jolla the hardware company with thousands of paid tablets to produce sinks.

alamaki ( 2015-11-22 17:12:35 +0200 )edit

Would I be rich, I would not only donate, I would invest. However the vocation of this endeavour is definitely not to establish a niche market for happy fews. It has a gigantic potential, simply because it offers 7-billion potential users an opportunity to own the instrument of their digital life instead of being owned by it.

objectifnul ( 2015-11-25 14:05:30 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-11-21 12:15:59 +0200

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updated 2015-11-21 12:16:30 +0200

Jolla isn't a charity. It is a company with a bunch of engineers that managed to deliver quite a lot despite the rough market and unexpected trouble along the way (ie. ST-erricson SoC)

If anyone has deep pockets and understands that you can't build everything in 2 years can invest in them. They proved themselves. They are the most modern linux mobile distro there is. The others (Ubuntu, Tizen) are not even close to where SFOS is today. And it works -despite some rough spots- and its awesome to use.

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Big thumbs up from me too! Despite all difficulties love my two Jollas in equal measure. I'll gladly support them in terms of hardware or products that are of interest to me but just giving money is not really the solution. There needs to be some sort of strategy to allow the company itself to grow and be profitable.

theunemployablekoder ( 2015-11-21 13:24:32 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-11-21 11:45:14 +0200

zash1958 gravatar image


they have a problem in a business plan and commit it.

And before they cannot clearly state and communicate about this I will give NO cent further

For us which had paid in crowdfounding and have no perspective to get money back or get the paid hardware I will not give any cent further

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answered 2015-11-21 12:28:49 +0200

zash1958 gravatar image

Architecture and software is one thing

Business and reliable delivery, open statements another

I can ABSOLUTELY understand how hard it is to have a business. I also have a business in computer technics. And also for us here not all days and times run good. 2008 was a big shock and we never will forget this.

But they are in a big trouble, do not deliver PAID !!!!!!! products and do NEVER give us a statement to get or paid product or the money back

This is NOT normal business and there is NO excuse for this

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answered 2015-11-22 17:24:04 +0200

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If I remember well, people wanted to pay for things in the past, which means income to Jolla. Products, that were not made available, so the money stayed in the pockets:

  1. TOH - People raved about the colourfull plastic TOH since 1st day but were never released, instead we got a black and an ugly-green. Oh, and don't forget the pink bird one which were never released.

  2. Functional TOH - Jolla could support developers with a shop and manufacturing connections for example, the most talked about TOHKBD is a good example. The TOHKBD should be already in the Jolla store by now.

  3. Paid apps in store - This is not about donation. It is about encouraging programmers to support the OS. The more developers support the OS the more hardware manufacturers will find the platform promising enough to offer it in their new phone.

  4. Extra batteries - Although a survey pointed out not many will buy it instantly, well, I have nothing to say...

All the above mentioned points could make the Jolla idea more attractive for former buyers as well as new customers and investors.

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answered 2015-11-21 11:26:45 +0200

dulog gravatar image

Yes, I like to see an alternative mobile OS to see.

BUT: Jolla Inc. as a company with crowdfunding failed in so many ways, that it just lacks of trust to me:

  • transparency about problems in manufacturing
  • communication on the channels
  • working with the community (bug tracking, pull requests, repositories, ...)
  • open the OS (components, apps, ...)
  • open the hardware

On some aspects (Aigo tablet instead, missing Dev tablets, 2nd tablet campaign on IGG, money to SFOS instead of manufacturing, startup vs. ex nokia experts, ...) make me feel that they just cheated on the whole journey....

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I would pass even more money. For me, all the issues with the tablet is related due financial problems. How can you add new investors when Jolla publishes financial problems too early?

ralfB ( 2015-11-21 11:41:06 +0200 )edit

maybe, or they expanded to fast and to much. for me, it's all good. I have two Phones and my Tablet, have a good OS on all three devices. Jolla push updates to make all better. that is what i want and that is why I'm using Jolla

Dreej ( 2015-11-21 11:43:39 +0200 )edit

@Andal You are a lucky guy! I (and most of us here) don't have my tablet still.

rburkhanov ( 2015-11-21 12:12:48 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-11-21 15:25:02 +0200

lakutalo gravatar image

updated 2015-11-22 00:27:11 +0200

As much as I am willing to support Jolla, I don't think this is a good idea. Keeping a company alive with donations would be an utterly disturbing signal for the market, it would scare away any potential investor, and we all know, there is no such thing as a free lunch. It is a rule of thumb always to directly offer something (product, service) in exchange for another thing (money), otherwise you would give customers the feeling that you do not value your own skills and efforts yourself, resulting in a deprivation of customers' (and thus investors') confidence.

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answered 2015-11-21 12:06:32 +0200

tortoisedoc gravatar image

One reason I can think of is (unfortunately) the opaqueness of the company on many aspects. Part of this is of course due to Jolla being a Privately owned company; and part of it is also due to strategy being kept safe. In short, jolla is not ready for this IMO.

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answered 2015-11-21 13:36:18 +0200

zash1958 gravatar image

updated 2015-11-21 13:36:59 +0200

Optimist ;-)

by now, there is NO delivery for the LONG AWAY PAID tablet systems, NO plan to deliver and NO plan to get the money back.

Every week new phrases and nothing else.

Who in this situation wants to give further money - please, You can do this - but I would NOT

Results and facts are interesting and not MAY BE or WOULD BE or COULD or EVENTUALLY

By now we only know that they have financially trouble and NO schedule for give us back our money we gave them long ago.

And so also thinks their bank and financing partners.

Nobody wants throw good and fresh money in a contureless hole

No bank, no financing partner, no business partner and no manufacturer

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A lot of COULD, WOULD and whether a concrete plan as no one word about the prepaid tablet systems

My decision:

No NEW money as long as they delivered nothing of the tablets for which we gave them OLD money

Or it could act as a black hole an all you spent further is completely lost

zash1958 ( 2015-11-21 17:14:59 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-11-22 16:33:49 +0200

Moo-Crumpus gravatar image

i will not pay twice for nothing.

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answered 2015-11-21 13:41:32 +0200

danfin gravatar image

Jolla OY are owned by their shareholders. If the company needs more capital, they can sell more shares. Probably, it's not a good moment now, prices will be low. Community could initiate a buyout and buy all available shares off current shareholders as a first step, and then, as community now are the new owners, raise the share's value. That money would be disposable to Jolla's management, then. Probably, stock exchange would never reflect that price increase.

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Simple economics: owners do not raise the share's value. The value is estimated by investors or banks based on the expected profits and only when shares are sold the value is determined. Prices will be low because of the low expected profits. Value will increase if expected profit increases, this can happen when much more devices are sold or SFOS2.0 is licensed to a large phone maker which sells much more devices...

rgrnetalk ( 2015-11-25 14:12:15 +0200 )edit
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