I'm an investor... and still an investor [not relevant]
asked 2016-01-29 15:43:27 +0200
Dear all and jolla,
for the tablet issue, i joined for it with the idea as an investor.
Knowing the risk but dream on contributing on a other and unlike (eco)system.
The business has worked so crooked, that the tablet won't go out successfully.
Is it a complete disaster?
I think not. The os improved itself and go forward in better and more concrete form.
I'm an investor and still want to be one, not a simple buyer (so it is meant by crowdfounding platform).
I invest, i win or i loose.
Here in our case . That is not that i won't enjoy to the product.
I'll glad really to have the tablet. But if not i don't see why i'll get a refund.
I explain it, as investor i want that the ecosystem evolved and get improve. Should not disappear or get destroyed. there is now 2 cases for this issue:
1) i get it, and i help jolla on developing and improve on it.
2) i don't get it, and the money (already used) make its office. Have a refund make the project live more insecure. Is like if we put all the effort back. I hate going backward
For all other people, i know that are just words, i won't risk my life with it, that's clear.
But i want that my engagement as investor with its risk is hold.
i'll be glad if others join it.
But not angry (and won't criticise) if someone won't do it (as long as every one have good feeling with what he do, that's fine).
So definitively, Get a tablet or no refund for me (i speak just for me).
Thx for comprehension. And have a good sails all.
PS: Some would have the idea that i'll the tablet to other... For those with this idea, How would you live with it?
I'm on your side. I also see it as an investment, not as a purchase, and as such I wouldn't be angry if I don't get a refund. The only thing I would like as an investor is for Jolla to improve communication with us and listen to the community. Jolla didn't grow only because of Sailfish, but also because of the people powered mantra that it first had. I hope they find their way back to the roots.
shfit ( 2016-01-29 17:33:30 +0200 )edit@shfit yes you may be right for the communication. It was enough for me. But i understand that some people need more. They communicate yesterday that they will improve it. wait and see...
cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 17:41:34 +0200 )editInvestors invest to make some gain and get some more money out of their investment. This isn't quite the case here. You were spending money on a product with the goal to get one at a later time. However, if you got or will get a tablet, there's no gain for your investment. All you get is what you paid for. A normal purchase. An investor is investing with the prospective to make a gain in cash. Anything else would be a donor or patron without any expectations. As a crowdfunder, you are a customer paying money for something that does not exist yet. Yes, that's the risk you take as a crowdfunder. Some campaigners might run away with your money, jolla decided to refund. So, in case you decide to donate your money to jolla, you will be a donor and not an investor since you do not have the option to make a gain from your donation. You have no rights for anything. The company, jolla, is free to do with the money whatever they want. You can have no claims at all. I'm still considering what I will do with my contribution once I will get the email. To donate or not is a decision I will make on the day when a mail from jolla about this question hits my inbox.
Anna ( 2016-01-29 17:49:10 +0200 )edit@Anna technically you're right, but I still see it as an investment, because I didn't contribute because I needed a tablet, but because I wanted to support Jolla and the further development of Sailfish. You are right, I don't get a monetary gain in return, but I do get more support for my phone and its OS. That was the investment I made.
shfit ( 2016-01-29 18:00:33 +0200 )edit@Anna could you represent yourself as gain, something different than the money?
cemoi71 ( 2016-01-29 18:08:25 +0200 )editFunctionality, assistance for daily/weekly tasks or functions, alternative to other who more really don't care about your own person? (speak about some serious issues by the android ios etc...).
I disagree with you that cash is the only gain. Gain is it could simplify your life, time or money.
I made some arguments (citation from above): "..dream on contributing on a other and unlike (eco)system", "... i want that the ecosystem evolved and get improve. Should not disappear or get destroyed.".
But i remark after your comment that is what not clear enough about my gain for example.
I'll add these as soon as i can.
Thanks anyway ;-)