Is the Jolla 1 OS License Transfereable to another Jolla Approved Phone (e.g. Intex Aqua Fish)?

asked 2016-07-30 18:53:30 +0300

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updated 2018-07-03 09:59:43 +0300

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I already have the Jolla 1 phone, and apart from rare restarts and hangs, am quite happy with it. I am very interested in the new Intex Aquafish (only for the dual sim support), but am hesitant to purchase it because of the "partnerspace" Sailfish OS version and Google crapware - like play Services / Store - installed by default in it.

Would Jolla be willing to allow us to transfer the Sailfish OS license (from Jolla 1 and Jolla C phone) to other Jolla approved phones, like the new Intex Aqua Fish? Or better yet, allow us to purchase a PURE sailfish OS license for Jolla approved phones. By "pure" Sailfish OS, I mean the original Sailfish OS version, as in Jolla 1 and Jolla c, without the "partner space" "feature" and any Google crapware.

I would prefer to help out Jolla rather than do experiments on a new phone to get what I desire or to pirate Sailfish OS ... And seeing that you no longer are going to make any more hardware, I think it would be much desirable to allow us to transfer the license to another Jolla approved phone (for a small fee, if you so feel inclined).

(This question might sound similar to this - Jolla C flashable image on to intex aqua fish? - but isn't a duplicate).

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What's stopping you to flash SFOS 2.0 on your intex?

tortoisedoc ( 2016-07-30 20:12:17 +0300 )edit

@tortoisedoc: Not being sarcastic; The same reason I stopped using pirated software - I can now afford to pay for it and do so. And I'd rather receive support directly from Jolla for any issues, than to have to waste a lot of time trying to fix any complex issues myself.

sifartech ( 2016-07-30 21:27:18 +0300 )edit

Seeing the difference in cost for the otherwise identical twins, Aqua Fish and Jolla C, it does seem to be a premium to get less. ...which is nice. But since there are no more phones to be expected from Jolla then how would this premium be available in the future?

vattuvarg ( 2016-07-30 21:44:27 +0300 )edit

The fact that Jolla C needs to be a robot to navigate makes things more complicated.

vattuvarg ( 2016-07-30 21:50:03 +0300 )edit

@vattuvarg - I think the cost difference between Jolla C and Aquafish has more to do with cost of business / cost of living in Europe vs India. For example, Intex Aqua Fish doesn't need CE certification in India, where as Jolla C would have required one and that would have added to its cost. And yes, Jolla must have added on a minor profit margin. You also have to consider the purchasing power of the citizen when pricing a product. For example, check out the price of Kaspersky and ESET anti-virus on (Amazon India). It is cheaper here because that's all we Indians want to pay for anti-virus (else preferring the free ones). I appreciate that Jolla wants to try a new business model with partner space, but why don't they also consider selling us the OS license directly too? Why can't they do both?

sifartech ( 2016-07-30 22:04:36 +0300 )edit

With transport and customs fees added to the taxes the two would cost me roughly the same here. The added value is the software that isn't included...

vattuvarg ( 2016-07-30 22:14:20 +0300 )edit

@vattuvarg - Yes, the added value is the software that isn't included. And that's my point - I too am willing to pay extra for that. With "partner space" they are trying a different business model for additional revenue. But why don't they also try selling the license directly to us? DO both - If someone wants to pay extra for PURE sailfish OS let them. If the rest are satisfied with "partner space" good for them and Jolla too.

sifartech ( 2016-07-30 22:44:52 +0300 )edit

@sifartech - The solution might be that Intex would supply two options when buying an Aqua Fish phone, yes. But it is hard to come up with a pitch for something like that. They have added value to their phone offering. How could they charge extra for something that lacks those extras? ...and somehow I can't imagine Jolla selling an alternative version of the software for the Aqua Fish.

vattuvarg ( 2016-07-30 23:36:33 +0300 )edit

@sifartech Just to clarify, the Aqua FIsh does not come with Google Play Services. The only android apps it has are HEREGo, Gaana, and possibly Aptoide itself. All of these can be uninstalled. Apart from these, it is the hybris android compatibility layer that is proprietary, and as far as I know, that is not Google stuff.

kat6 ( 2016-07-31 08:32:19 +0300 )edit

@kat6 AquaFish does come with the play services pre-installed.

lal ( 2016-07-31 11:26:07 +0300 )edit

@lal How do I find it? There is nothing by that name when I search with pkcon. Is it part of Dalvik/ART ?

kat6 ( 2016-07-31 12:31:26 +0300 )edit

You can't find apks with pkcon. Yes, it seems to be pre-installed in the android space. I couldn't find a command to list all the android apps on device. apkd-uninstall <package-name> can remove it anyway. Meanwhile, I think any android application can be set in the partner space, there is a command apkd-install-partner-space <packagename.apk> eh, reluctant to try now though.

lal ( 2016-07-31 12:58:04 +0300 )edit

@lal I see.. Thanks for the clarification! So When I turn on Android Support in the device, does a play-services process run automatically ? (sorry I can't check on my device right now)

kat6 ( 2016-07-31 13:13:03 +0300 )edit

Sorry to slightly hijack this comment thread, but I think that the play services are at least packaged if they are getting installed with the stock firmware. Could someone with an Aqua Fish pastebin the contents of ssu lr (it lists the available/enabled repositories)? I checked in customer-intex but there is nothing interesting there.

g7 ( 2016-07-31 17:48:46 +0300 )edit