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Opensource alternative to Alien Dalvik?

asked 2016-12-28 14:08:44 +0300

Technics gravatar image

Hi folks, the lacking of MUC and OMEMO support in Sailfish's XMPP integration is still holding
me back from switching to SFOS again.

Is there any hope for an alternative (and not Android in a window) to run an Android Jabber (XMPP) client?
If not, is it possible to copy the Alien Dalvik binary from another Jolla device owned by a friend or is it IMEI locked?

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Conversations, which supports MUC and OMEMO is available as an Android app from within the Jolla store.

tad ( 2016-12-29 02:17:26 +0300 )edit

Are you trolling me?
I already wrote you somewhere else that unofficial devices cannot run them.
This why i made this topic.

Technics ( 2016-12-29 10:00:17 +0300 )edit

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answered 2017-04-16 15:25:16 +0300

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updated 2017-04-16 15:25:35 +0300

Yesterday I read about anbox... It seems to be very interesting. Maybe it would be a real alternative to alien dalvik.

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They are Saying initially they tested on Ubuntu Touch i.e. Phone Os , So Is iT hard to install to Sailfish Os?

p_pahare ( 2017-04-16 17:00:15 +0300 )edit

potentially, its going to need container kernel modules for Snaps, and afaik nobody has tried running snaps on sailfishos yet.

r0kk3rz ( 2017-04-16 18:13:52 +0300 )edit

yes it seems that snaps is the bottleneck ...

denis.robel ( 2017-04-16 18:15:53 +0300 )edit

I'm sure they'll move the code over to use (the far superior) xdg-app/Flatpak whenever Canonical cancels all development on snap packages. An open issue on their GitHub page:

nthn ( 2017-04-16 21:11:22 +0300 )edit

I did install anbox on my Desktop (Linux Mint, so it may be better on Ubuntu for which it is made) to give it a spin – and while it runs pretty nicely (and fast!), my impression is that it hasn't progressed much beyond proof-of-concept. Not that it's advertised differently, but I think it's worth mentioning.

Negative things I noticed immediately:

  • Multimedia stuff: No YouTube (tested via Firefox and SkyTube from F-Droid), "pre-installed" music player just crashes.
  • I tried two random games from humble bundle; one didn't run, the other didn't install.
  • Keyboard Layout seems to be querty no matter what, also I didn't figure out how to type an @. Copy and paste worked, though.

If you're about to try it and have an nvidia card, you'll have to use nouveau drivers.

That's not to say that this isn't pretty awesome and fun to play with, but I would not get my hopes up too soon to get a real smooth ("end user" compatible) experience for all use cases, even on Desktops. It shows huge potential to get there at some point, though. Enough to make me quite a bit excited about it, even if this comment as a whole might sound otherwise.

velox ( 2017-04-17 00:56:48 +0300 )edit

answered 2017-01-16 01:51:19 +0300

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@Technics: a standalone native XMPP client with support for MUC and eventually OMEMO is now in the works...

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Ha, didnt know that client, thanks @nthn :)

ced117 ( 2017-01-16 11:44:10 +0300 )edit

Woohooo and the development looks quite active!
Thanks mate, this gives a bunch of hope!

Technics ( 2017-01-23 19:20:53 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-12-28 23:14:05 +0300

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The XMPP implementation is being worked on...

Those already help out a lot.

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These are definitly very very important enhancements but unfortunally still nothing about muc.

Technics ( 2016-12-28 23:51:11 +0300 )edit

answered 2016-12-28 15:13:09 +0300

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Exactly what he didn't want :P

Even if after looking at the latest demo, it looks pretty well integrated now!

Sthocs ( 2016-12-28 17:14:42 +0300 )edit

can we install sfdroid on intex aqua fish

DC ( 2016-12-28 17:28:37 +0300 )edit

You can't install it. You need to port it, compile, build, test, debug, fix problems, compile and build again, grow beard, go to forest, build house, born son, back to civilization, rebuild everything from scratch, fix all problems, compile and build working version. Then you can use it.

coderus ( 2016-12-28 17:38:04 +0300 )edit

i will try it but later...:) and thanks for giving super clear idea.

DC ( 2016-12-28 17:44:17 +0300 )edit

This might be well integrated but i guess it is resource-hungry and cannot bring the same experience as running a native / alien-dalvik app on the actual os.

I guess - never tried it.

Technics ( 2016-12-28 23:52:59 +0300 )edit
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