Jolla IM Server - XMPP for everyone

XMPP should be properly implemented in sailfish2. A MUC client would be a welcome addition too.

XMPP itself needs to evolve to compete, but that is food for another forum... :)

How does having an xmpp account with each jolla account tie to the platform? XMPP is already decentralized! This is a move to get people off of heavily controlled proprietary services like google or facebook - to start with Jolla needs to make their phone OS capable of xmpp in a way that is not limited to download an addressbook and send a msg... so to start with support those 3rd party servers and their XEP profiles.

As i understand it would be a step to make dezentralized services more attractive if they are easy to setup. How else do you want to get noobs to use e.g. xmpp if not with a centraliced initiative in form of easy system integration? Yes many noobs will stay on that centralized jolla server. But many will grow and discover that its ll about decentrelization and go their own way. Jolla can make an offer leading users to the right decisions. Also it would be great DIT wise and nice improve to community spirit to have a possiblitiy to have other jolla users/devs "available" simply with their Store ID and/or unified TJC accountname.

@mosen - People already know and understand decentralised network services. Mail is just one example. At first the social media seems to be a good thing. Lots of free services all rolled into one. A crowd of lovely strangers to meet. A bit like most modern cities, actually.

But the companies running these virtual cities are doing it for the money. They use us as a lab rats in their experiments. ...and they sell us for the pleasure of others.

We all know that cities eat people and these virtual ones are pretty much the same. Maybe even worse. Just look objectively at how Facebook treats their guests. Does pictures of Gotham come to your mind too?

But creating another megacity online is not an option. Not even if it flies the Jolla flag.

If we insist upon the benefits of a megalopolis then we must pay for them too, one way or the other.

But there are still some options left.

@mosen nice one! @vattuvarg you are so very wrong, $most-people are sheep and use facebook-msg, google-hangout, whatsapp and so on... Mail? Most people have their privat mail account at google, microsoft, yahoo or even their ISPs bundled with proprietary services! FOSS community is a minority and most people do not care if they upload your data together with all other contacts in their addressbook too such services - so no people did not understand decentralization of services, they just go with what they get offered and take the deal they like centralized as it can be as they do not like to use 50 clients if there is one google-account to rule them all. Your cities analogy is quiet right but those people living there most of the time know other cities only, there is no real rural area in that world they all think that other domains than those cities are schools, libraries the suburbs or industrial parks. This question is not asking to build another city, it is meant as a gateway out of those megacities in existence. What you could dream of is that xmpp some day just works like email in those megacities, create an account and connect to anyone having email and xmpp in a heartbeat. Jolla setting up a server integrated with their accounts-system would be an ambassadorial move, one of the mobileOS companies of the world offers a non-proprietary service for everyone, seamlessly integrated in their OS available on any other OS from desktop to DECT phones (yes my Siemens Gigaset has an xmpp client running!), maybe we need a next gen service like ricochet to get you but I hope you get the idea. It is a seed, nothing more.

I'm okay with the date not being displayed all the time because you usually receive IM messages much faster than SMS, so it would just be a waste of space. There needs to be some kind of separator to indicate a new day, though.

@nthn I agree to not display the date on messages wrote/recieved the same day. But at least on my Jolla I do not see dates on messages wrote/recieved several days or weeks ago. For me this would be really helpful. After I have read your post I checked the App settings whether there is some configuration option, but it seems not to be configurable.

That's what I meant: it should show the date just once for every day messages were received, so:

1 february

15:43 Message 1

15:44 Message 2

2 february

16:32 Message 3

And so on. By the way, you can already make XMPP work better (including Stream Management) by following the instructions here: https://together.jolla.com/question/111544/lets-try-to-get-someone-else-to-fix-xmpp/?answer=155221#post-id-155221

XMPP in Hangouts and Facebook is anyway on a dying way.. Its not clear that within the next year XMPP will be still supported by these services.

XMPP Gateways act as proxies to other IM services which may be a different protocol. The contacts from the other services appear in your XMPP contact list, and you can chat with them. The Gateway relays messages between your XMPP client and the user on the other service. After Facebook closes its XMPP service at the end of April, the only ways to chat with Facebook users with a Jolla is either through the Facebook Chat Android app, or using the web interface.