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How would a SailfishOS wearable look to you?

asked 2014-04-10 20:31:07 +0300

Imagine that you had a smartwatch - that was capable of running SailfishOS. Imagine dual-core ARM, 800-900mhz, 512mb and 320x320 resolution, 4gb storage. And possibly other hardware capabilities such as Bluetooth IP networking, 3G data, (ideas welcome).. and wireless charging on the night table.

How would a SailfishOS wearable look like in your view and what should/could it do?

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Why not fix the phone's problems first... :P

roboro ( 2014-04-10 21:28:55 +0300 )edit

Because you have to keep research going to be on the edge :) Else you'll end up with suddenly not having any ideas or directions to pursue.

Stskeeps ( 2014-04-11 11:13:48 +0300 )edit

Or you end up starting new projects and never finishing them

ZogG ( 2014-04-11 14:03:31 +0300 )edit

Can you explain what exactly sailfish os can provide as unique feature? And what is the difference between it and any other wearables or mobile system except few UI concepts?

ZogG ( 2014-04-11 14:05:22 +0300 )edit

So : Marketing people explain us that smartphone must have > 5" screens and stop providing sub 4" (like N9 or 808) high range smartphone because they are too small.... and then want to have us leave it in a pocket (or a bag if it doesn't fit) and interact with it on a 1" display on our arm ? Add to this that we we need two hands (or at least one arm and one hand) to interact with a smartwatch, whereas the sub 4" inch smartphone was designed for one hand... No need to say I can't help you there !

zeta ( 2014-04-12 17:23:30 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-10-21 17:15:27 +0300

updated 2014-10-22 11:30:51 +0300

And possibly other hardware capabilities [...] ideas welcome

  • It must have bluetooth ;
  • It should feature a compass ;
  • It should have something similar to Apple's Taptic engine ;
  • It could have a heartrate sensor ;
  • It could feature a small torch light ;
  • It could feature a pico projector ;
  • It could have a NFC tag (let's say you have some NFC reader at home, it could be cool to do things with this) ;
  • The wristband could act as TOH : provide extra features, ambiances, extra storage or whatever (see blocks for other ideas).

How would a SailfishOS wearable look like in your view

  • Wearer should be able to customize the watch (change the wristband, different colors, ...)
  • It should be detachable and pluggable so wearer could "plug" it to different kind of dock stations, to a car radio, to some smart clothes, ...
  • It should be thin and elegant (obviously) ;
  • It should be made of recyclables materials (leather, wood, aluminium, glass, ...).

  • In terms of UI/UX, I think Sailfish OS is mostly ready for that kind of hardware, thanks to the gestures based navigation. See @Toxip mockups : it just works.

and what should/could it do?

This one is pretty easy :

  • It MUST be voice-controlable (i.e. "Send SMS to John", "What's the weather for tomorrow", "Send This_File to Another_Device via bluetooth", "Remember me to call Saul at 5:00"...) and be able to speak to give feedback, to warn you when something happens (incoming call, SMS, ...) or to give you request answers (weather, internet search, ...). Voice should also replace the virtual keyboard.
  • It must not depend on a phone to work ;
  • It should be able to track activity ;
  • I would like it to wake up when I turn my wrist ;
  • I actually like the fact that you can send your heartrate to someone with the Apple Watch.
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Very nice, the wristband TOH sounds nice, something I thought of too. That blocks smartwatch looks like a nice concept as well, maybe it's possible to port sailfish on it as well? ;) I find voice control a bit awkward and probably many others do as well (at least Finns seem to), but it's definitely a must have nevertheless. It should also feature a swipe and/or Graffiti keyboard, since they don't require as much accuracy than a conventional touch keyboard.

PS. You spelled my nickname wrong, it's Toxip not Toxicip :P

Toxip ( 2014-10-22 11:26:27 +0300 )edit

@Toxip: I agree with voice control being awkward, but I just don't see another way to control the device on such a small screen (or with such big fingers :D), especially when it comes to writing something. The swipe keyboard is a good idea, but I'm not convinced it would fit the screen. Graffiti keyboard is also a very good idea. But it would have to be very responsive. I never had a smartwatch in my hands, so it's a bit difficult for me to discern what's a good idea and what's not :)

The solution might be to create a kind of passive device : it'd show events, alarm, track your activity but you wouldn't be able to input text. You'd just be able to push, pull (swipe), and tap to navigate, aknowledge, use some pulley menu, etc.

I'm really sorry I spelled your nickname wrong, I just corrected it. Sorry :/

François ( 2014-10-22 11:40:21 +0300 )edit

It certainly is hard to implement a good keyboard on a smartwatch and if you take a look at qwerty keyboard on Samsung Gear S, you can clearly see that it doesn't work, even with auto correct...

Preset quick responses to an email/message or dictation would be more useful but when they're not enough, a keyboard would be useful. However if it leads to a bad user experience, then it should be left out completely.

Typing on smartwatch wouldn't be very ideal anyway. Most of the time you'd probably checkout for new notifications and pull out your smartphone to respond. The smartwatch should be like a watch, which means providing valuable information at a quick glance rather than being a replacement for a smartphone.

As you said, it should be able to function on its own so a keyboard, along with dictation and quick responses, would help to achieve that.

PS. Don't worry about the name, it happens :)

Toxip ( 2014-10-22 12:25:56 +0300 )edit

Another great alternative. Available on Google Play. http://minuum.com/

Toxip ( 2014-10-22 12:43:01 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-04-10 23:36:01 +0300

chemist gravatar image

duplicate of https://together.jolla.com/question/30409/jolla-anchor-bluetooth-gadget/ I just did not ask for something heavy as a watch but it was about a wearable item

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answered 2014-10-22 12:13:25 +0300

Ghost gravatar image

it should be circular.. it should be able to disable and find the phone if lost..

it should have AMOLED display which it shoukd look like a regular watch.

it should not get too much bulky tobe able to do everything in it like regular smartwatches.

->music player widget ->only notifying activities .. it should not have the ability to disabling it by swiping or any other actions.

a nice long lasting battery would be better.

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I'd prefer mirasol or e-ink colour display because of their superior energy saving capabilities! That way it could stay on for days and no need to turn off the display.

Toxip ( 2014-10-24 08:28:42 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-11-07 15:10:59 +0300

LVPVS gravatar image

Hej @Stskeeps,

First of all, anything I strap to my wrist has to be rugged.

I imagine a watch-sized Jolla phone in a rugged case as a wrist computer.

It should charge its capacitors (not battery cells) by itself via solar and/or movement of the wearer and/or ambient radio waves and/or any "green" technologies (at least to lengthen its up-time).

It came with a headset, so it could be used as a phone out of the box, without the need of removing it from the wrist.

If it ever were created, I would switch to this device immediately, as today's smartphone trend is going a direction I don't really like (getting bigger and bigger).

LVPVS out.

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answered 2014-04-11 10:10:06 +0300

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There are too many bugs in my phone to thing to anything else. Your Jolla will finally sink if all these bugs are not addressed in a timely manner. Ok, I understand, there are no applications, SDK is in alpha etc., but at least give us a stable and bug free phone. First I would fix all Jolla phone bugs, than I'll focus to bring SDK to a stable release. After that I can focus to make/port existing wearable applications to Jolla - Pebble etc. Only by doing this you will already learn a lot, make existing customers happy and you may think to make your own top quality Jolla wearable - oled, sapphire coated, titanium case, bla bla bla. So, please Jolla, dreaming is nice, but now you need to focus your entire resources on existing product, which BTW is far, far away from what I expect a smartphone to be. Sorry, IMHO this is naked truth.

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I agree that they should first focus on fixing and improving their current product before moving on to new products and they know that very well. Jolla staff have been working hard on bringing monthly updates to the OS and have fixed a lot of things. That's an incredible feat, especially for a small company like Jolla. In my opinion there's not really that many bugs in SailfishOS. It just lacks some features that you'd expect to have on a more mature mobile OS, but that should be obvious, right?

That however doesn't mean we shouldn't look forward to new innovations and ideas. You should always think one step ahead! :)

PS. Honestly, I think SailfishOS looks a lot better than Android ever did in its early days :P

Toxip ( 2014-10-20 21:14:51 +0300 )edit

answered 2014-10-22 12:02:06 +0300

damourti gravatar image

I would rather see Jolla, be able to control connected objects (door lock, mailbox key, car key, company control access,...)

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answered 2014-10-22 12:03:42 +0300

damourti gravatar image

To be very unlike, it would be great to provide a phone with an integrated SIM card that will allow everyone, with a money account, to be connected to a local network with local prices, that would be very, very nice!

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answered 2014-10-22 12:43:07 +0300

michdeskunk gravatar image

Let Jolla staff make a stable OS and a good pebble deamon applications, and after this we can use a pebble watch

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