Sailfish without Android support. Am I alone?

I agree with u Ashish. Android apps invade our privacy that is one of the prime reason I shifted to jolla. But there is need for some good apps like the one from Android stores . And saifish does need some improvements in tthe OS . The keyboard needs some improvement .As there are some ttyping mistake when hit back key for corrections .Also there is some scope for battery backup I think .But hats off to jolla developer's for creating an amazing OS.

Like Aashish, I too am forced to use certain Android apps (like Opera) either because native clients aren't available or existing native ones lack the features that I need / am used to. @sailor - A slight correction - "Android apps invade our privacy" isn't exactly the right perspective. The problem is with Sailfish OS that it doesn't allow the user to control what data / api an app can access. A developer can just as easily create a Sailfish app that invades the users privacy because a Jolla user still won't be easily able to restrict the app from doing what it wants to.

True. And while I appreciate the great community we have developing apps and supporting us, I wish there was a way to motivate people to spend more time into putting more features and quality into the native apps. I really, really love the native apps and eagerly wait for the day wherein I only need android apps for special needs.

The android support is nice feature for marketing purposes. I think in practice it should cover missing apps, but not the "core" applications. After a year or so many of the core apps should provide native implementations or a clear path. We need to make sure a) provide sufficient support for alien dalvik b) push development of native apps, how is the balance?

But on the other hand those android apps are killing the native ecosystem before it can evolve.

@midnightoil, what do you need apps for? As far as I am concerned, "apps" are something an iOS user hungers after.

All the things and tools I need I can find as source tarballs and build with minimal modification on the device itself.

@juiceme congrats on being a hobby dev. afaik Jolla aren't in the market for hobby devices.

smart guys usualy using phone for calling and some basic s... i think that calling texting email synced calendar and calc etc is fine enought for phone. but playing 90' games on cellphone or tablet well :D or needs to install TOOLS for wasting time is...it is just crazy trendy fashion time to build smart tv, smart toilet paper and who knows what else

yea somebody can say that it is cool that you can edit photos there, or try your new haircut or remotely control your smart tv or pc by phone but same job can do any other remote controller and the bateries remains there for ages, strange habbits are arround, if someone has needs and willing to pay for app with same or less content like in classic browser :) most of the android store is rubbish, in style when you installing for ex flashlight, why there are apps wich asking you about permit for contacts. location and use internet, just not relevat to what application should do, and worst most users just clicking ok, i need this cool ap and then entering magic circle

i just dont understand to this fashion, so I am androind free too i think that for something is better bigger screen so tablet and than regular biig screen for regular work or regular gamming and as we dont have hdmi out or something how to use jolla as workstation or gameconsole i think jolla devs should focus at on own stability and bugs free os, not to focus (waste) time on porting android , if you need android apps, just buy some android device :D

jolla is exactly right phone for guys who just want to use phone as regular phone (zilions of symbian users knows what i mean) and on the other hand jolla is also for advanced users allows them fun and much more freedom than what was on market

with good qwerty OTH in the future it can kick iphones from the part of bussiness customers - it is todays wish to have durable smart enought qwerty phone offering todays communication standards

I agree with your post but "Purism and Freedom are mutually exclusive." is horseshit.

Your opinion is only personal as well.

Stability and freedom are in each others way occasionally, but purism surely isn't.

1. Failure of N9 is a totally different story. No apps and bad adoption was a consequence of cancelling N9 and not vise versa.
2. Stop calling it "purism", it's a good word with a bad attitude.
3. Running Android apps doesn't help Blackberry much. In the same time FireFox OS without Android support is growing (ok, I know it's another league, but hey...)
4. Nobody wants to cancel Dalvik. It's about focusing more on native. You simply can't win with phone that "also can run Android apps", because native Android phone do and always will do it better.

I wasn't using purism in a bad way. As a dedicated Linux user, I have seen this attitude however. Omission of non-GPL OS features that are paramount to daily operation has crippled some distributions in the past. Others have adapted by bending the policy a little to stay relevant.

As for Blackberry... Running Android apps was supported but not possible without side-loading until OS 10.3 with Amazon store. Android support on Jolla is a lot more intuitive as all components are integrated and exposed to the user.

Re #4... Yes people have been making comments about canceling Dalvik.

@MiLano has the point there in his 1.)

N9 was cancelled because Nokia wanted synergy with WP, and that was the only real reason. Lack of apps (if there ever was a lack of apps, actually there were pretty much all you need) had nothing to do with it.

FYI: droid and native apps are already distinguishable in Jolla Store, but there should be an.option to filter views to native only apps.

I also want the filtering . I am sick of seeing the *droid stuff . I want more native applications. Yes I know it needs more developer effort. Please Jolla devels make more videos about actually making apps and please improve the developer documentation. I understand that IRC support is great but a lot needs to be done to encourage new app development from Jolla side.

do as I did: in the foreground on the home screen app all sailfish, while the Android app to enter all inside a folder. so solve your problem. but the Android app when needed !! (See whatsapp). remember meego? it was perfect, but there were too many universal applications. On Jolla is no shortage of Android environment thanks !!

the official App Store doesn't even allow the submission of Apps using GPS yet ..

I have been looking into making a geocaching app, but Groundspeak does not allow news app on their API, Garmins Opencaching.com does not answer API key requests, and Opencaching.* seems to require a separate developer key for every region and have different API's. So for now I have shelved the project.

I agree with you. It takes some time to customize the phone, so that it fits the needs. My experience with Android however is that the initial time for customization is less compared to Sailfish, but after this you spent more time tweaking this and that compared to Sailfish. However the show stopper for me ATM is the missing SyncML functionality and I can't sync my data the way I do with N9. I light a candle and say a prayer for the N9 every evening, so that it may work at least to the time when I will be able to use the Sailfish phone.

@thisisme Great going , I am with you . Lets report more bugs and discuss on new features for native apps.

Completely agreee , Android apps are only for short term just to show that they work and if you are so dependent on a random app it works be happy for that. But basing entire sailfish development on the premise that there is already an existing android app or even prioritising compatability issues instead of native app development would just lead to a doom for both jolla and sailfish os.