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[Wiki] Crowdsourcing the J2 [not relevant]

asked 2015-08-28 21:06:52 +0200

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updated 2015-12-30 21:27:29 +0200

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Goal

The goal is to find the most attractive specs for the successor to JP-1301. Not a bunch of alternatives but one single set of specs. You, the users, will decide what you want.

Compare again?

2015-12-30 - Have a look at the review of Smartisan T2. The minimalism of that phone would be better complimented by SailfishOS, wouldn't it? But is it what we want for Jolla J2? (Yes, the question is a bit troll-ish but there's a good reason for that).

2015-11-07 The Rush before Slush - Slush 2015 starts in just a couple of days. Don't just sit there anxiously waiting for Jolla news. Distract your head and put it to good use here instead. Time waits for noone.

2015-11-07 - The Meizu M2 has similar hardware to the specs below. Compare with that phone and adjust your suggestions if necessary.

2015-09-18 - OtherHalf or not? J2 could use the OtherHalf system. Would that be a good idea or not? The difference in cost is probably tiny.

2015-09-16 - What about the camera? Any suggestions for good camera modules?
Moved SoC to separate category.

2015-09-08 - The hunt for an opensource SoC begins
Updated specs with some suggested parameters. Feel free to disagree.

2015-08-31 - I notice that some have started liking comments. More of that, please. Consider it a primitive way of voting. ...or at least a way of showing your preferences.

2015-08-28 - Let's go. Compare with the specs of the current Jolla Phone. Votes for the question itself will show to Jolla how important the users of this forum think the J2 is. (As this is a wiki I won't get any karma points for votes). Vote for the categories that you think are the most important. (I get no points for those either).

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I hate to be a show stopper, but isn't this a dupe?

jollailija ( 2015-08-28 21:18:05 +0200 )edit

No, this one is intended to gather a set of specifications, although I don't still get how @vattuvarg wants us to provide and vote them.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2015-08-28 21:21:16 +0200 )edit
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@Giacomo Di Giacomo Me neither. There are a ton of threads about "JP2" that have specs, so I don't see how this one is different.

jollailija ( 2015-08-28 21:25:20 +0200 )edit
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@Giacomo Di Giacomo - There are too many options to create a voting system. This is a wiki so feel free to edit the answers.

vattuvarg ( 2015-08-28 21:36:22 +0200 )edit
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yaust = yet another unofficial specs thread. I am waiting for the 1st official.

jolladiho ( 2015-08-29 15:58:15 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-08-28 21:25:40 +0200

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updated 2015-09-26 22:43:29 +0200

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Features

  • Sensors

  • Messaging

  • Browser
    Yes based on the Mozilla Gecko rendering engine.

  • Java
    No

  • Other

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This isn't a JP2 thing strictly, but my goodness do we need OS-wide copy and paste functionality (browser, read-only text in emails). "Cut" in editable text would be nice too!

scillo ( 2015-08-28 22:00:55 +0200 )edit
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A whatsapp client.

ausgeregelt ( 2015-08-31 13:15:42 +0200 )edit
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Definitely a browser that supports add-ons again - stuff like AdBlock, NoScript, Ghostery etc. unfortunately is just vital for surviving the web these days.

dyraig ( 2015-08-31 14:37:52 +0200 )edit
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A Ant+ Chip would be nice. To use it as a sports tracker or synchronize a garmin watch without USB-OTG

CodeGosu ( 2015-09-01 08:43:44 +0200 )edit

USB mode with access direct to the micoSD card and another option to access the internal phone memory

Amelot ( 2015-09-02 14:30:25 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-08-31 00:31:22 +0200

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Hello, i think Jolla will not go into a business competition to other phone hardware manufacturer. I see the different (and some times conflicting) requirements here in this threat (small mobile, dual sim, hardware keyboard, energy efficient, quad core, ..). So the main problem (for jolla and for the end user) is the stock of the spare parts (i only remember the battaries for the jolla mobile).

The better way would be to bring Sailfish OS to the wide spectrum of existing (or in development process beeing) phone hardware (as they do it in india).

So for example fairphone is a phone hardware developer and they are open for other OSes on there phone. This should also be possible for some cheaper phones with less power (and may be also for other tables).

The basic hardware infrastructor for the phones are most similar. And the module mechanism of the linux kernel allows the develop specific driver for the special characteristic of a phone.

May be a threat (or a wish list) of supported phone hardware will help jolla to decide to whom (phone hardware developer) get in contact.

And a least, if the sales of the Sailfish OS phones is high enought, jolla can take influence during the hardware developement by their parters.

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The idea is good. ...but this thread is about a hardware device.

vattuvarg ( 2015-08-31 01:03:31 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-17 13:28:48 +0200

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updated 2015-09-17 13:28:48 +0200

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Solar discret energy and Lifi Communication? Device get power from a thin skin over the display. Would delay the battery power off. And provide some communication facilities through light environment.

https://together.jolla.com/question/94215/wysips-technology-a-discret-solar-energy-li-fi-connection-for-next-product-generation/

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Or something that Exeger provides, i.e. using both sunlight and artificial light for charging consumer electronics.

nick75 ( 2015-09-17 13:49:19 +0200 )edit

exeger and sunpartner seems to be concurent on the segment. don't know if they work on the same consortium...

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-17 14:02:19 +0200 )edit

their product seem to have same characteristics

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-17 14:10:14 +0200 )edit

Indeed Exeger and Sunpartner seem to be competitors, however LiFi from Sunpartner is much cooler than "just" charging... Nevertheless, good to have options.

nick75 ( 2015-09-17 14:10:52 +0200 )edit

:-) yes...

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-17 14:49:52 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-17 15:56:09 +0200

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updated 2015-09-17 15:56:09 +0200

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SoC System-on-Chip

Processor, graphics, communications and more in one chip.

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Mediatek MT6735

ARM Cortex-A53 64-bit quad-core processor (1.3GHz)
ARM Mali-T720 GPU
Rel. 9, Cat. 4 LTE (FDD & TDD), DC-HSPA+, TD-SCDMA, CDMA2000 1x/EVDO Rev. A, EDGE
802.11n Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0
13MP image signal-processor
1080p Full HD video recording and playback at 30fps

vattuvarg ( 2015-09-17 21:56:10 +0200 )edit
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Qualcomm Snapdragon 820

  • 14nm FinFET, 64-bit ARMv8 quad core processor (2.2GHz)
  • Adreno 530 GPU
  • Hexagon 680 DSP
  • LTE-A Cat 12/13 4x4 MIMO
  • LTE-U
  • 2x2 MU-MIMO 802.11ac and 802.11ad
  • 10-bit 4K60 H.265/VP9 decode and HDMI 2.0
pulsar ( 2015-09-17 23:08:14 +0200 )edit
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Intel Atom x3-c3440

Intel Quad-core Atom (1.4GHz)
ARM Mali T720 MP2
GSM/GPRS/EDGE DC-HSPA+ 42/11, td-SCDMAFDD/TDD-LTE Cat 4->Cat 6
802.11ac, Bluetooth 4.1
Cameras up to 13Mp / 5Mp
1080p Full HD video recording and playback at 30fps (1280x800 at 60fps)
USB 2 HS

vattuvarg ( 2015-09-20 15:12:00 +0200 )edit

Qualcomm QuickCharge 3.0 available on Snapdragon 430, 617, 618, 620, and 820. USB Type-C ready. 80% charge in 35 minutes on usual smartphone.

pulsar ( 2015-09-20 15:35:08 +0200 )edit

i.tel atom . that d be something

polarphone ( 2015-12-27 10:54:13 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-11-07 12:04:06 +0200

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updated 2015-11-07 12:51:14 +0200

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Just the Brain

One solution for creating the next generation of Jolla phone would be to create only the brain of the phone. The idea is to cooperate with Puzzlephone and use their spine (display) and heart (battery) modules to create a modular phone adapted to the needs and wishes of sailfish OS users. One important factor that comes to mind is how open the firmware is...

By using Puzzlephone parts the process of creating the next Jolla phone could be simplified. Having two (or more) companies cooperate on a standard would also increase acceptance.

You can read more about PuzzlePhone at http://www.puzzlephone.com/

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Personally I would love to see a Nokia clearblack spine to go with the PuzzlePhone heart and Jolla brain.

vattuvarg ( 2015-11-07 12:09:21 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-01 23:38:08 +0200

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I also want: improved speakers fm radio

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answered 2015-09-09 17:47:24 +0200

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for me what would be really good is make the smartphone as the most powerful device on your environment. That your phone could be used like your computer too. Means you should only put in a station to connect to display+keyboard and mouse, and then rocks.

Imagine that if the hardware has the best chips for powerful function. And the Software solution give it possible to use the device as good as a computer with it multiple type of application.

Need greatest cpu and other chips. Lots of connections. And software support. And an design integration for big displays like computer usage.

we are far from it, but we could trigger the first step to this. or not?

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fine :-) maybe not use the usb port as communication protocol but as "container" where we could use usb protocol and faster one (for display for example)

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-09 18:48:09 +0200 )edit

yes i saw the Comment from ApB thank you anyway ;-)

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-09 19:03:07 +0200 )edit

i think it is possible technologically, now is just to know if there resources and interest to do it. I think there will be enough interest from end-user. But i don't if the common people is aware that it is possible to do it. Then for the first one he should give a lot's of money too. But what is it to spend so much money for one device, when we think that is fast the same when we invest for two or three (pc tablet and phone)...

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-09 19:07:40 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-11-06 15:19:18 +0200

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I think that a very good Jolla 2 could be the Fairphone 2: modular, open and ethical committed. The only thing that are not so good is the price.

I am waiting for my Fairphone 2 nr 6620

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What are your thoughts on the PuzzlePhone?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/puzzlephone-upgradeable-sustainable-incredible#/

vattuvarg ( 2015-11-06 17:38:35 +0200 )edit
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Sailfish OS brainmodule for PuzzlePhone could be a nice collaboration between Jolla and PuzzlePhone.

avhakola ( 2015-11-07 03:07:17 +0200 )edit
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@avhakola - Your idea is good. ...so I added it as a category. Thank you.

vattuvarg ( 2015-11-07 12:07:10 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-01 23:28:26 +0200

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Improved camera sturdy slim metallic cover 32 and 64 gig so that heavy gis like qgis could be usef

of course improved connectivity usb and bluetooth

screen current size ok

would dearly have a basic office suit

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answered 2015-09-16 13:56:25 +0200

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I would like the best possible capability for using the device offline to reduce the number of devices I need to carry when hiking. This means maximum amount of RAM and SD and USB Otg capability as well as a proper compass (not just GPS). The camera should be the best possible - see the latest Sony phones, but I see no need for a front camera. The biggest issue which we all ask for is offline maps. My personal requirement is to allow offline use of walking maps. In the UK these are produced by Ordnance Survey and then routable versions are produced from them by Garmin/HERE and other companies. There is no comparable map data available and the Open Mapping is useless. It seems that Ordnance Survey work with the GPS device and software companies directly and it would be nice but highly unlikely that anything could be built specifically for Sailfish, but there are Android and Iphone versions available.

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Thank you for your suggestions but it would have been better if those suggestions had been added to each of the categories instead...

vattuvarg ( 2015-09-16 15:13:56 +0200 )edit

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