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Sailfish 3 - Sailfish X Bug Fixes [answered]

asked 2018-08-25 16:56:12 +0300

mr_xperia gravatar image

updated 2018-08-25 16:57:18 +0300

Hi, I have read through many of the Sailfish X / Xperia bug threads on here, including what seems like the main one as it's a wiki and quite comprehensive: https://together.jolla.com/question/171437/what-bugs-does-sailfish-x-have/ (with some reasonably fundamental bugs still on there).

Has there been any official communication on whether the imminent Sailfish 3 will be addressing any of these items? I'm so close to biting the bullet, setting sail and joining the sailfish club by getting an X and buying SailfishX but am a bit put off by some of the issues listed, for example no speakerphone? Tiny available internal disk space? Roaming issues + mobile settings getting lost?

It's also hard to tell from that thread, how many people have the particular issues, how many are rogue problems unique to one individual / device and how many are widespread. Is there any resource to monitor the bugs and how prevalent they are? It would be great if there was a list bugs along with a list of users that experience those bugs - a bit like you can see on Github with something like a thumbs up on a particular bug.

Apologies if this shouldn't be a new thread I just felt it would be good to get answers as to whether any bugs listed were being / have been addressed in the new Sailfish 3 release.

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usually this list is part of the release notes

pawel ( 2018-08-25 17:30:28 +0300 )edit
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We don't get notified or told what is or what isn't going to be fixed, this is akin to "how long is a bit of string", the truth is, no one knows except those in the driving seats at JollaHQ. You might catch utterance of "we will address that in the next OS update" but it does not guarantee that it will. In my opinion, if you are heavily reliant on many aspects of a mobile device, then perhaps to hang back for a while longer until things improve.....but when might they improve?, no one knows, just like we don't know when SFOS3 will actually be rolled out, there are rumours and roughly said times, but those of us who have been here from the start, know that "it will be ready in xxx" can be taken largely with a pinch of salt and you maybe waiting months more. If you are keen, then just do it and strap in for the journey, you can always sell it if you don't like it, there is always someone willing to 'give it shot'. Personally, I have 2 x Jolla1 to kill before I even consider getting anything else.

Edz ( 2018-08-25 18:01:41 +0300 )edit
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You can get an idea from the number of upvotes that the bug thread has. For what it's worth, here's my data point: on my Sailfish X I had no roaming problems (except when trying to do actually impossible things like using the dual-SIM in a country with no 2G network), I never lost mobile settings, and I can connect my Bluetooth headset but I get some audio artifacts/interference if wifi is active. The internal space isn't too small; I have 45GB in the main partition (5122 w/ 64GB) and I'm currently using 15.

Federico ( 2018-08-25 23:23:39 +0300 )edit

Speaker phone is fixed.

rfa ( 2018-08-27 01:13:02 +0300 )edit
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Regarding the roaming issues :

the latest version of ofono (the system deamon that handles cell network connection) available in the current 2.2.0.9 verions of Sailfish X has immensly progressed since the original release. It's much more stable nowadays.

on the very rare case a problem arises, usually switching the airplane mode on and off solves it. (I haven't needed to restart the connection daemons anymore). Back in the beginning, you used to need to reboot the phone.

DrYak ( 2018-08-27 18:39:40 +0300 )edit

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answered 2018-08-25 23:35:48 +0300

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I'd say, you have to decide, whether you're willing to try it or not despite some problems. For me, as a long term user of sailfish, I can say, that there is almost nothing I miss. There are no blocking or showstopping bugs. My kids have android devices an my wife has an iPhone and those are not flawless either. Some of my daily use cases are much easier to achieve as it seems to be on android and my wife complains a lot about lost bluetooth pairings. I don't want to praise sailfish here or make existing problems small ones, but some of those complaints from some people are IMHO unfair and somehow exaggerated. SFOS has far less man power/budget/support than those other big mobile OS's but it is highly usable for every day usage and rock solid. It misses some features, but offers a lot, other system will probably never provide. If you know what you want and have fair expectations, give it a try and check if you can.live with some flaws. Just my humble opinion.

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I agree. I've been using Sailfish OS for two years, most recently Sailfish X on the Xperia X. There have been no show stoppers for me. Sailfish is certainly not flawless but it works well. I gave my Jolla C to a family member who isn't a tech geek. It replaced Nokia 920 they had been using. The Jolla C is doing everything they want.

AlanBreen ( 2018-08-26 00:29:33 +0300 )edit

Thanks for the comments here, I think that's the case, I have found a discounted new Xperia X so have placed an order for that - I've been trying to discover as much as I can about what improvements will be there in Sailfish3 and it looks like I will be happy with the updates made (security / privacy wise).

As a side note, I would love to backup the DRM keys before installing but not sure I fancy the full effort of that if I also have to roll back Android, will see what version of Android it comes with. It's great that Sony have the Open Mobile setup, I've always been a fan of Sony, it's a shame however that it's not straightforward to back up those keys - would be ideal if it there was a tool on the Sony site to achieve that.

mr_xperia ( 2018-08-26 13:13:37 +0300 )edit
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It's not a sony tool, but Flashtool can immensly help you around.

(e.g.: to directly flash any desired firmware version over the cable, instead of playing with ton of OTA update from the phone itself).

It even includes menu entries, to backup the TA partition (where the DRM keys are)

DrYak ( 2018-08-27 18:19:54 +0300 )edit
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I have the X now and will attempt the Flashtool on a raspi soon, fingers crossed I can crack it, get Sailfish and start seeing if it's right for me. To be honest I'd love to wait until Sailfish3 and start from then but not sure at all when that will be.

mr_xperia ( 2018-08-29 13:21:15 +0300 )edit

You have a Raspi ?

Cool, so you would be familiar with most of the SD card things.

Also: Flashtool is Java, thus cross platform and (should) work on your Raspi (though maybe some obscure bit might rely on binary x86 code :-( )

DrYak ( 2018-08-29 19:27:01 +0300 )edit

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