asked 2013-12-24 22:13:37 +0200
When I get to work in the morning, I have to fill in a date card for my parking permit. If I could just press the side button to get the time and date, that would be superb. As it is, I've got to take off my glove in the cold, unlock the phone and then pull down slightly to get the date.
Edit @stezz: Judging by comments what is shown on lock screen should be configurable.
answered 2014-01-03 10:27:15 +0200
Hi all and Happy New Year!
The idea of keeping status bar hidden between lock and home, is that showing battery or signal strength doesn't make the battery to drain any slower, nor doesn't it change the fact that you'll make that call if you need to. All phones require to be charged too often and everybody is familiar with "reception hunting".
The design aims to keep the lock screen as clutter-less as possible to give higher priority and emphasis for items that affect battery consumption. That's also the reason for offloading things to events view. That would naturally be a great place for "system resource" display for example. If you're interested about system resources, you could view that from anywhere, instead only from lock screen.
Moreover, for us to make lock screen function like Ms PowerPoint, so that everyone can change everything and put it everywhere, we need an elaborate editor UI to do that. We need controls for font size, color, location of information objects and it's a really non-trivial thing to do. It would cause us to not be able to progress in other feature implementation as resources would be drawn by lock screen customization project.
Finally, because status area is integrated part of the swipe interaction from an app to home, if we allow changing location, size and order of information at the bottom of lock screen, we would have to develop a mobile OS editor to allow user build their own user interface from scratch, just the way they like. This is an effort that would crush us and put and end to Jolla as a company. No more updates :( Android devices have a huge head start in letting user customize almost everything. At this point, it's really important that we prioritize experience and features that are not heavily emphasized by others operating systems to stay alive. Later when things stabilize, we can see where and how to enable user customization.
When we get around implementing media playback widget to lock screen, this allows others to do similar things to customize information in lock screen without causing issues in system level design. Please be patient so we can together deliver an experience you can all enjoy and we can survive giving birth. Sorry for the long answer, I hope you understand.
thanks :)
I popped back in just this time to make a point of why I left "together". In the grand scheme of people being able to change other people's queries, I feel that my original request/suggestion has been lost. My request for the date on the lock screen turned in to something larger and impractical.
msknight ( 2014-01-03 11:05:35 +0200 )edit@msknight, thanks for revisiting. This is how many community involved projects work. Requests get reshaped to suit a larger audience, as everybody has their opinion. You probably now can relate how the Jolla design team feels when people start asking for more without fully understanding the side-effects. However, we love our community and wish to allow them to communicate with us, even if it hurts at times.
Thanks for your original input, it didn't get lost, and we will try to solve it as fast as possible. I hope to see you stopping back every now and then :)
Jaakko Roppola ( 2014-01-03 11:37:08 +0200 )editHi @msknight please come back :)
I understand you feel your query has been completely changed but it's the intrinsic meaning of the dialogue that we are trying to have here. Like you want the date someone else would like to have something else that is very similar but not quite like...
stezz ( 2014-01-04 14:07:48 +0200 )editOK, OK, I'm back.
I've done a lot of thinking on this. I think that widgets on the lock screen would be superb in the long term, and should be a long term goal, as although there is nothing within Sailfish itself that needs monitoring, there are plenty of third party apps that do. Watch for post
msknight ( 2014-01-05 11:08:42 +0200 )editThe Jolla Files - Part 4 - http://msknight.com/technilife/?p=216
msknight ( 2014-01-05 11:23:33 +0200 )editanswered 2013-12-27 17:41:52 +0200
Furthermore, if date, battery status, social updates are shown or hidden, the pulley could populate respectively.
answered 2013-12-28 14:26:33 +0200
I think changing the title like this we capture the sense of this feature request.
Yes, I agree, I was about to suggest the same, cause this is abt the whole Lock-screen area and 'things' visible there. The importance of this screen comes from the fact that it is always the first area with info that we see without the need to do anything else. The date/time info should be there optimally letting user to decide which parts of that string %d.%m.%y %h:%m are shown, the font-size and with which locale.
foss4ever ( 2013-12-28 14:44:20 +0200 )edit@jii, no stupid questions exist, don't worry :)
Lock screen is intended to defer accidental touch input and prevent you from inadvertently performing actions by tapping. If notifications would be shown directly in lock screen, tapping on them would work against that as well as your privacy. Now the swipe from bottom prevents others to see the e.g. the message preview when device is on the table and a message arrives.
Additionally, Events view can be brought on top of any other application, so you can pause whatever you're doing to look at the information there. If it would be only in lock screen, you would have to navigate all the way back to go back to lock screen to check that information.
We're constantly working to get more content to the Events view. It might feel empty currently, but please be patient, more will come.
thanks :)
Jaakko Roppola ( 2014-01-03 11:49:26 +0200 )editThanks! I understand the consept, the lock screen makes a beatiful entrance. But... in lock screen taps could be replaced with swipes to prevent accidental tapping and visible info could be defined by user to handle privacy issues. There are ofcourse other issues as you explained in your answer.
jii ( 2014-01-04 22:57:01 +0200 )edit@stezz: actually it seems that it didn't capture the sense of this feature request of the original poster. Setting it to a more general title, like "information is missing on the lock screen" and then adding suggestions on how to fix that as answers we all could vote for would have been better.
Mohjive ( 2014-01-09 02:24:25 +0200 )editanswered 2014-01-22 16:02:13 +0200
Moved here from https://together.jolla.com/question/18350/where-do-you-want-to-have-the-current-date-info-to-be-visible-by-default/ Lock screen would be one optional location for this, so the answer suits here as well. :
I suggest a costomizable location for a customizible date/time/info -bar. The settings to select the location and tune the bar would be under:
(I'm a great fan of customization, and I've presented adding this menu in some of my earlier posts too )
answered 2014-04-01 10:24:23 +0200
As my first post, i would like to suggest one improvement for lock screen.
What do you think about possibility to put application in "pin to lock screen mode"? When you do a long press on cover view, instead of showing just "X" for closing application, pin icon is shown also (top of cover). When you click on this pin icon, cover of application is not shown in cover view any more, but only on lock screen. And in this state, user is able to only see cover, not able to open app at all, until un-pin it.
As an example, I would like to see weather app all the time, but only in cover mode. Why should I unlock phone, go to app view. Also, one space in app mode is used without need for that.
Development of "widget" applications will be just related to developing of nice cover view.
What do you think about this idea?
answered 2014-04-09 17:59:20 +0200
I am SO GLAD that with 364 votes this is on the fifth place of wish list and simply can't be ignored!!
answered 2015-03-10 20:50:32 +0200
Note Sailfish 2.0 Homescreen will display date information and status bar (battery, signal, etc.).
There is no need for it http://jaakkoroppola.blogspot.fi/2014/11/why-status-bar-has-to-go.html
Think about it
NuklearFart ( 2015-03-11 01:07:15 +0200 )editAgree with Jaakko's points. We don't show status bar when apps are open.
Joona Petrell ( 2015-03-11 11:09:49 +0200 )editanswered 2014-03-19 13:21:24 +0200
I have some ideas about the lockscreen that I would like to share here.
Even if the device now returns to the last used application if it is woken up within a time interval (don't remember number of seconds), the notifications/lock screen could be utilized to have a button or simple widget that is like a shortcut to maximize the last shown application. THAT would be a useful thing to have. It would be much faster and efficient than "Swipe down, ehm, where is it now, hmm, there it is, tap".
If this is a sort of a "feed screen", then there is hopefully some api for it to be used by the apps. For instance, media player applications could implement scrolling of the current song/artist name there.
A lot of system properties could possibly enable short information texts for this screen. For instance, the IP-adress would be nice to have there (but customizable of course, enable/disable option in the "about device" or something like that).
Even applications should be able to have something customizable to be enabled for viewing there. If it is customizable by the user, it won't be cluttered down (unless user want to clutter things down). Maybe, they could call this the "activity screen" or something like that with certain rules to it so that it doesn't become a cluttered and disorderly android widget screen. It should be part of the whole application concept, so that an application has:
See what I mean?
Then also, if course something should be invented for differentiating left and right swipes, not only for the now called lock screen but also for the applications screen. There could probably be other interesting uses besides choosing the ambience I think. Why not (optionally) integrating the calendar application on one of those swipes (instead of having it launched as any other application). Alarm stuff could be integrated on such a swipe as well.
Here is actually another possibility for this screen that I just came up with, that would add something that I really miss. If the user on this lock screen would be able to create application groups (or folders), then if one of these groups is selected, let's say for example you click the "media apps" icon. Then the launch screen(s) could then instead get populated with the launcher icons for what that the user has placed under that category. There should be a default 'All' category of course that would make the launcher screen show everything like today.
How about that people? Jolla?
answered 2014-03-28 12:58:00 +0200
I'm dreaming but a conky on the lock screen should be definitively unlike, it's not realy userfriendly to configure but as long as we can share configuration files, it should be OK for everyone :D
answered 2014-01-22 13:11:40 +0200
@jukey yes the way you posted that as a real question to ask the optimal / default place for date info is good way to focus on only that, and let ppl Answer by their preferred location to show. This is IMO how this question here could have been asked in the first place. Also, these questions can happily co-exist here.. they are not duplicates cause they approach the issue from different angle ..
Asked: 2013-12-24 22:13:37 +0200
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Yeah, somewhere near the clock would be perfect!
jaine ( 2013-12-24 22:15:34 +0200 )editAlso battery and network status would be nice to see on lock screen, now they are "hidden".
Jäävuari ( 2013-12-25 07:45:42 +0200 )editAlso add the current wifi network name to that list.
lomo ( 2013-12-25 15:20:57 +0200 )editCan you not remember the N9 in situations like this?
NikosAlexandris ( 2013-12-25 16:58:08 +0200 )editMy 2 cents: Time is something that changes every minute so it is important info that you have to have on lock screen. Date is something that changes every 24 hrs. So it is not vital info. i.e. when you wake up you can just check the calendar once and you'll be good for the whole day.
stezz ( 2013-12-26 15:39:41 +0200 )edit