[Jolla Tablet] SailfishOS 2, coming to Jolla phone 1? [answered]

You came late to the party, I and many others invested in May 2013, and there was no promise of bugs, lol

and the quote is incomplete, because I was talking about the realization of the openness promise, still being missing, which it is!

If you believe software comes without bugs I have a bridge to sell you....

The n900 had (and still has) bugs.

The n9 I believe too (I only got it as an "in-between" n900-jolla so didn't use it long/intensive enough to be bothered by anything major)

The Jolla has bugs.

And Jolla Tablet will have bugs.

People make mistakes, it's a fact of life.

your just being ridiculous, despite what your saying being obvious, your frasing it in a way to seem like it goes against what I said, which it obviously doesn't

"There was no promise of bugs"?

why the wiki answer?

yeah, but we don't want a new model of a phone or tablet. We want that the phone, we already bought, works correctly and gets the features they are talking about for almost a year.

by mistake :( Sorry

I agree with #pfloyd_again. But I also understand why Jolla try to gather some money for new devices. Show must go on. BTW, Jolla phone is not so bad at all. Don`t compare it with Android phones - it is not fair :)

you know you change it back, right? just asking

This is a device for people with a pioneering spirit. This is the most beautiful in Jolla - a sense of participation in the birth of a new quality.

If you did see yourself buying a tablet, maybe you'd start being worried about the promises, wouldn't you?

"I love my Jolla, so much so that when I broke the GorillaGlass recently I ended up buying a second device."

This is the crux of the matter, to me. Yes it's buggy, the connection bug sometimes drives me crazy, and sometimes the low RAM gives a laggy experience that is very annoying, having said that, if I lost or broke the phone I wouldn't even bother checking out the latest Apple/Google offerings, I would just order another one ASAP.

And that's why as soon as I saw the funding page I threw down an order for the tablet. Right now (in my opinion), Jolla has the best OS by a long way. I miss bank-ID, and I miss some small apps (I don't have the android framework installed), but when I see a nice little tablet running Sailfish for a ridiculously low price, I don't think about the bugs, I'm just thinking 'Shut up and take my money'.

And just to add, that I was not even remotely that satisfied with the 770 and the 800, which were both exciting offerings from Nokia but buggy and slow as hell. The experience with Jolla has been infinitely better, and that is so impressive considering their size in comparison to Nokia.

I can understand what you're feeling, as I agree up to a point. And that point is, trust. With relation to the phone jolla has so many issues still, that I'm still fearfull of trusting them with my money again.

Unlike the Jolla phone where we did not know specs ahead of time and it was a true leap of faith here the exact specs were presented to you so other then sw/build quality not living up to your expectations I really don't see what there is to worry about.

I am extremely tempted to get the tablet, the only worry I have is that I don't see myself using the device enough and as such I really can't justify this spending to myself (unlike TOHKBD which I know I will use and therefor got).

exactly !!

I am complaining too, but I'd rather wait for a well tuned and stable release, maybe at the end of this month. Announcing a tablet is also great news that shows Jolla is here and we are going to have good support.

im sure there is a whole department working on Sailfish OS development and a another separate department working on new products and marketing. they are small and dont have the resources of microsoft or apple to test bugs etc. we bought into the unlike idea. if you want phone/device that works just like the rest of them go get one. perhaps some patience is required. Microsoft, Apple and Google were massive companies before mobiles devices came along, they have teams of 1000's and billions of dollars to develop a new OS. what did jolla have 3 years ago? $50 million and 100 people.

I am pretty sure the software developers weren't much involved in the tablet. Why the update is a bit late is due to the major technology shift to Qt 5.2 which brought a ton of bugs hence the opt-in release. They are also working hard on the SDK and finalizing of libraries for 3rd party developers, which will eventually be benefiting the end users. Jolla also has to spend time working on its store as there is still not possible to process payments in store which also affects the number of apps. These things take priority, because they deliver the most value.

The tablet will be benefical to the phone and therefore is a good startegy from Jolla. It will require decent landscape mode which the Jolla is lacking atm, but it should be done just in time for #tohkbd thanks to the tablet. The tablet will also bring some new users thus creating more leverege when dealing with 3rd party companies, hopefully leading to better support and apps such as offline maps whilst allowing the company to stay afloat.

I know it is frustrating at times, when a bug or a lack of feature stops you from doing what you want with your device, but software development IS slow; Think of it like a garden, to have a beautiful garden it takes time, effort and care, in my opinion Jolla does care and does make a lot of effort which will lead to a splendid system. Unfortunately Jolla needs to prioritize, because they can't work on everything at the same time. As a user the best thing you can do is to report bugs on this very site and to vote on bugs and features that are important to you. Jolla will try to get the most popular ones done first, however there are equally or even more important issues that require their attention that might not be obvious to most end users.

I no problem with hidden features (bugs) or missing features (in the end the Jolla1 is the same as the N900, a hackers device). The part which I'm not too happy about is the communication which gives the feeling that the "together" extends only as far as my money becomes theirs. I hope a large part is the tech nature of Jolla as a company and it is a fact of live that technical people don't communicate that well usually. So a few examples where my trust in Jolla has got dented (as @dsilveira the main (?) isse):

• I did see the Jolla crowd funding announcement but I didn't see the keyboard announcement. Why not promote it ? Yes it is a community item but it is a very well done and seemingly fairly desired one.
• For the tablet I'd have loved to see a "what features would you like of your next Jolla phone/tablet" even if labelled as market research and that non of the wishes might happen.
• It would be good to see some form of road map of items to be addressed of the community issues/queries.
• Could a for community issues it be highlighted when an item is fixed/closed. For a software issue/feature say in which update is included and cross reference from the change log the community request.

For my part I give Jolla the benefit of doubt (so was happy to take part in the funding) for now. On the other side it is a fact that I shunned/boycotted Nokia because of their customer relationship was displaying a very snobbish attitude. For that reason I really hope that the mindset was left in the part of Nokia which disappeared and has not moved into Jolla.

Agreed, but at least they gave useful insight, that ought to be valued!

Can you please update your post with the link to where that quote comes from, thanks.

@dsilveira - https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/

@Markkyboy: already edited in!

@dsilveira: only valued if it happens once or occassionally. Now this is I don't know how many times already, certainly not the first apologizing for delay. Jolla team should definitely invest in better planning maybe managing the development.

because that we are not with Nokia anymore... isn't ?

In term of feature set and stability, N9 is still ahead. Jolla Phone has other advantages like CPU power and Android compatibility. Count of software updates is not a significant value from my point of view.

Totally agree. N9 have way better hardware and better sofware. I payed for Jolla 414,01€. I guess 14 euro cost those 6 extra updates.

The bugs of Jolla seem impossible to come around, therefore felt more serious. The N9 also had bugs, but those were less annoying. On the other hand the expectations were very different and therefore it's just unfair to compare. Running Android apps makes Jolla much more useful in practical everyday things as there are so many 3rd party services linked to iOS or Android, the N9 had nothing of these.

I'm using both N9 and Jolla for everyday tasks and I can only confirm that N9 is much more reliable. My expectations when buying both N9 and Jolla were high, but I'm sorry to say that to me SailfishOS feels like retarded younger brother compared to Meego.

dont say nosense the hardware is very low. Screen is low quality, speaker is very week, camera have 8mp but the photos captured are low quality. internal storage have minimun size. NFC is only for OTH. The only good thing is wireless, OS and aesthetic and screen size...

i knew very well

Not that much of a first one then. All we knew about the hardware when pre-orders started back in May 2013 was (copied directly from join.jolla.com from 21st May 2013, the day after Jolla Love Day):

•Jolla original design with ample 4.5” Estrade display
•Dual core and 4G**)
•Keep it and share with 16GB + microSD
•8MP AF camera
•User-replaceable battery
•The Other Half
•Gesture based Sailfish OS
•Android™ app compliant

And that was it. The full technical spec that was available to us at that time.

The hardware isn't the best, but they have never promised you anything else . And I STILL KNEW VERY WELL, because before shipping Jolla revealed the specs and you got the chance to retreat from your preoder.

At the time I (and many others) committed to Jolla, we did not know the specification. By the time we did know anything about the (mediocre) hardware specs something called cognitive dissonance kicked into play, and has continued to afflict Jolla owners ever since: in essence we ignore any evidence that might demonstrate we made an error in buying Jolla, and where we can't ignore contrary evidence it we come up with excuses for why the evidence isn't really contrary at all (just look for example at how a near 5 month lack of public OS upgrade is excused by "well, monthly releases were never practical ", "a monthly release schedule was merely aspirational", "the opt-in release counts as a public release", "ready when it is ready is best" - and my current favourite, that hotfixes count as updates, thus making the average public release schedule over the year meet the schedule that Jolla had indicated).

I honestly don't think that many of the HW specs matter as long as the SW works on it. Remeber iPhone 1-2-3? Lagged behind in HW, still working quite smooth, because SW was carefully matching those limitations. I'm not saying that the Jolla phone couldn't have better HW, and perhaps the choice of the radio components and memory size indeed seem at least a bit off but I think the main problem is that Sailfish doesn't mach these limitations according to our expectations.

a haven't seen an improvement since, july, that's almost 5 months old, maybe you're on the developer update channel, by mistake