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Anyone happy with Jolla here?

asked 2015-09-01 10:40:18 +0200

zackbuffo gravatar image

updated 2015-09-01 10:51:57 +0200

Sorry, for not posting a question or idea, but I think some things have to be straightened out.

To make one thing clear at start, I understand and agree that there are points to criticise regarding the new Jolla version and of course bugs are bugs. But taking a look at the recent posts here, I think there is a completely wrong perception. By the time of writing, out of the first ten entries at together.jolla.com, six (!!!) are Android related...!? WTF?

I know, Jolla has "promised" Andorid compatibility, but wake up, this is a phone running Sailfish OS and not Android. Really, if anyone wants to use the phone like Andorid gear, buy an Android phone.

Second, keep in mind we are running an OS in version 1.1.7. - I remember a blog post about Jolla a few months ago (unfortunately I can't remember were I read it), which perfectly classified the current state of Sailfish OS:

"Apple's iOS was on version 3.2. (don't pin me on the exact version, I'm qouting freely), when it started supporting MMS."

Anyone still complaining about an OS at that early stage in development like Sailfish OS, supporting a different operating system right now and out of the box, but not running prefectly accurate?

That's it all about, Jolla is pretty fine for such an early version with so little manpower for development, compared to Android, iOS, etc.

I definitely do agree, Jolla has very much headroom to improve - the OS itself, the apps and the processes -, but give these guys a little air to breathe.

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That is one very confusing post. Why is the number of android related posts on the landing page important? 15 minutes later that number has changed. Those are just the posts that have been edited most recently. Are people not supposed to report issues with the Android runtime? What is your point? You seem to be coming down on the side of Jolla, but at the same time criticise people who file bug reports about Android compatibility?

One thing I personally very much like is that I can run Android applications without Google Play Services on my phone, that's a huge plus.

2Ti ( 2015-09-01 10:52:28 +0200 )edit
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"One thing I personally very much like is that I can run Android applications without Google Play Services on my phone, that's a huge plus."

I wish I could give a hundred upvotes just for this one sentence. :)

ossi1967 ( 2015-09-01 10:54:33 +0200 )edit
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As I stated, bugs must be filed, and the point you made using Andorid apps without Google was for me a unique selling point of Jolla, too.

But reading through all these posts - at least to me personally - it often sounded rather like a rant "why is xy not perfect" than a decent bug report. At that point my main intention was to put some things into (a partly personal) perspective.

zackbuffo ( 2015-09-01 11:03:33 +0200 )edit

I'm quite happy with my Jolla. My post was related to android runtime but If I put phone silence I assume that every sound in phone would be silent. Whatsapp is only android software that I'm using daily (Yes there is native software, but android version works better).

New hardware would be nice because with my usage phone gets a little damage (it sometimes drops). Or possibility to buy first Jolla with cheap prize (249 is too much).

MJolla ( 2015-09-01 11:18:06 +0200 )edit
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"Apple's iOS was on version 3.2. (don't pin me on the exact version, I'm qouting freely), when it started supporting MMS."

It is a poor example. MMS really wasn't all that popular in the US in 2007, as evidenced by the fact that Apple's exclusive service provider partner at that time, AT&T, didn't actually have an MMS service - so why would iOS itself need MMS, until it could actually make any use of it? (AT&T didn't introduce an MMS service until September 2009, just after - surprise, surprise - iOS introduced MMS support)

We can go further, iPhone OS 1.0 (as it was) actually had fairly limited functionality - but the iPhone succeeded because, to quote The Verge "Apple focused on getting the core experience right. It focused on speed, consistency between apps, and a making a few features radically better than anything else that was available [at that time]"

Sadly, much as I love some of it, I don't think the core experience of Sailfish is right yet, nor radically better than anything else, almost 20 months after launch.

strongm ( 2015-09-01 12:09:26 +0200 )edit

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answered 2015-09-01 12:12:00 +0200

virgi26 gravatar image

i'm happy with everyday use!!

but you must understand, that most of questions here are written by people who have problems with their Jolla. People who do not have problems ussually don't write anything. So if you look at TJC, you will probably think that Jolla have a lot of problems, but that is not correct.

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yes you're right. people who don't have problem, don't speak about "it" or rarely

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-01 12:21:07 +0200 )edit
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I'm happy for the most part, and agree that people only go on here to post issues - that's what its for after all. People don't go on stackoverflow to say how easy and great programming is!!

Ryan ( 2015-09-01 14:21:09 +0200 )edit
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Actually, that's the point. On the contrary, if you look for an artist X and a song Y on Youtube, you will find that all the comments (apart from a pair of trolls) are praising that song as the best of all times.

If you are looking for an impartial opinion about a song, don't read its Youtube's comments. If you are looking for an impression of how happpy is people about a device, don't read a web designed to talk about bugs and requested features.

Mced ( 2015-09-01 18:32:19 +0200 )edit

??? sorry but it is not a song. find the comparison a little bit clumsy... maybe it is possible to organize the whole (eco)system to have the same reaction of the user like the reaction that you described. but currently it is not organized in this way. i don't think that it is impossible. the question is, if it make sense to jolla to have it.

cemoi71 ( 2015-09-01 19:00:02 +0200 )edit
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@cemoi71 I was talking about "perceived reality". If you judge the quality of a device by reading a bug report site, you will end getting an unreal "badness". If you judge the quality of a song by reading its comments on Youtube, you will end getting an unreal "goodness".

Mced ( 2015-09-02 07:59:05 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-01 12:18:47 +0200

cemoi71 gravatar image

I am happy with it.
Having an os which is not the leader one and for this is not the goal of all fool and idiot people and their malware.
having an os with pretty good reaction on an old hardware.
Having no more further os-changes (or further software layer) from phone-operator or phone-producer which make it slower.
having my android app without the android system.
having a system with opensource app and nice apps with it.
having nice contact with developers and 3th part dev.
Having a system with a clearer strategy, and more transparency.
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i have some app which still don't work, but i am confident, because relation on both sides (app and jolla), the communication are really good, and people are nice and motivated. As Zackbuffo told, the whole need time. And will be done correctly i'm sure

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answered 2015-09-01 13:56:46 +0200

Amilcar Santos gravatar image

updated 2015-09-01 14:01:35 +0200

I work at a mobile app selling company and i'm the only guy, around here, that has a Jolla phone. My colleagues insist that Jolla/SailfishOS will not endure... Basically they are saying, as a bussiness model, open-source/free apps isn't interresting. Even knowing that over 80% (over 1million) of apps in 4pple store are zombies, companies keep investing in iOS ("Why don't you just send them a check instead?")...

I'm happy with the Jolla phone but, as a developer and consumer, I would like that Jolla focus on stabling the API's in order get apps that do more than the "This is a basic app/client that..."

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answered 2015-09-01 11:55:11 +0200

Giacomo Di Giacomo gravatar image

I don't need Android but I need to run Android apps, because most of the apps I need don't have a Sailfish equivalent. No Android apps compatibility, no SailfishOS for me. I have the phone to use it, not to swipe SailfishOS screens up and down, and to use it I need apps.

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Couldn't agree more.

nick75 ( 2015-09-01 11:57:36 +0200 )edit
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While i understand, that they need Android Support for a growing user base, but id wish they would concentrate more on the opensource OS itself rather than non free Google stuff.

ozzi ( 2015-09-01 12:05:49 +0200 )edit
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To be more specific, I appreciate the Android compatibility without the Google Play Services.

Andy Branson ( 2015-09-05 16:12:23 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-03 10:25:12 +0200

xenoide gravatar image

I am very happy with my Jolla BECAUSE I could get rid of Android. I don't want any Android apps on my phone and I am extremely happy to see the possibility not to install the aliendalvik framework at all.

This is the killer feature for me. Shall this ever change and Android support become permanent and not uninstallable in Sailfish OS, I will dump Jolla the very same day. Therefore I am a bit disappointed to see Jolla prioritising Android support over more important issues with their native app framework and stability which are still not sorted out.

Hopefully this will change with SFOS 2.0 - we will see.

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Agreed. I picked a Jolla because I didn't like Android and iOS and my beloved webOS was dead. I wanted a Linux phone and Jolla is just that. I like how I can use nmap and ssh on the go. The price is very good for what you get. Continous updates, engaging community, many cool apps and if you need it the option to use Android apps withouht PlayStore. If I would be granted one wish I'd like a better display. If I had two wishes I'd like to get rid of the transparency. But that is it. Apart from that I'm very happy with my Jolla.

lispy ( 2015-09-03 10:36:31 +0200 )edit
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I too chose Jolla to get away from Android, especially the baked in tracking and profiling that Google does.

Given this issue, I have no problem using Android apps on Jolla. I don't have Play Services installed, so I just get the app functionality without Google interference.

bilgy_no1 ( 2015-09-05 09:54:22 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-03 11:12:56 +0200

steffenl gravatar image

My Jolla serves as my only mobile phone since Dec 2013 as a replacement for the good old N9 and this says pretty much all about it: it still works after nearly 2 years of everyday use (most phones didn't survive that long), the battery still lasts 2 days, I'm still excited after every update about some nice improvements and even though I hardly use it I like to astonish my friends with the TOHKBD ;)

Of course not everything worked out of the box and you need to adapt yourself to the phone a little bit. Its like driving an old car: it doesn't have all the latest features, it needs some special care, but if you opt in you get a clean experience of driving (or here: of a real linux phone) that you won't get anywhere else!

I hope the tablet will help to spread the word about Jolla and well, a 2nd generation Phone with an improved cam would be fantastic, too ;)

Thank you very much for everything, Jolla & the great community of sailors.

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Yes, I also have the Jolla since 2013, and it amazes me how the experience keeps getting better. The worst bugs have been fixed, and it's a very stable phone by now. New functions are still being added. Slowly, but steadily, this is growing into a mature system.

It is important to realise that Jolla are taking a different approach to development. Jolla released a phone to the general public at a dev stage when most companies would only use some in house testers. It was even released when the OS was officially still in beta! The idea was that this could speed up development because of mass user feedback, and of course raise some cash while testing the market potential.

I'm not sure if this has actually resulted in a quicker development (impossible to know), but at least it was an interesting journey to be part of a an early adopter. That also holds some value for me.

Sailfish 2.0 should be the release that's mature enough to start licensing the OS to manufacturers. This is where I'm a little anxious, because there are still some rough edges and missing features. Jolla also lifted beta status while there were still a lot of problems, and this created some disappointment with users who didn't understand the special development strategy of the company (and who therefore expected a fully functional experience).

Myself, I'm pretty relaxed about not having the latest app/service/feature available on Jolla. If Jolla can interest manufacturers who will start contributing to the code, speed will pick up and new features will follow.

Disclaimer: I do have an Android phone for work, so this is where I can do e.g. mobile banking with official apps.

bilgy_no1 ( 2015-09-05 10:14:52 +0200 )edit
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t's a very stable phone by now

Really? How about the multiple reports of people not being able to answer an incoming phone call on the phone because they cannot get access to the pulley menu then? I'd suggest that being able to reliably answer a call a pretty key function of a mobile phone.

strongm ( 2015-09-07 15:34:43 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-01 17:04:21 +0200

I am perfectly happy with my Jolla device
How is that possible? you may ask. Well, my previous smartphones (except my old Symbian) were really cheap low-tier phones, so compared to those the Jolla device is a really high-end phone with it's huge hi-res screen, a whole gigabyte of RAM and a giant 16Gt internal storage. But hey- that's just me.

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Hi, I like the phone as well. The hardware is fine, the software runs great compared to most vendors' phones. Yet the release of certain buggy features, is very annoying. I would even pay for a good stable release with fully working apps. I have not really modified the phone or done special changes. Yet it seems as buggy as some linux-distros are. It would be great if sailfish os could be an open-source project which proves open-source, usability, stability and secure privacy can coexist in operating system. It doesn't have to be Apple to be user-friendly. It doesn't have to be Microsoft or Android which allows you lots of apps. It can be open-source or just linux to work well out-of-the-box. But the money would have to be better for Jolla and if you consider to make major releases with additional features, which will definitly work, then you could also charge money for that. But maybe this will all come and I just have to stay frustrated for now, when the screen is not reacting to input, when someone calls sometimes or that the MfE app is not syncing correctly. Hope, it's gonna get better and not die like a lot of operating systems, because the idea is really good. The competition is probably just very tough.

Keep working Jolla, I like your idea. But the reality is pretty sobering at the moment. Thank you for your work. Hopefully, things get better when this damn tablet release has finished.

One of your supporters!

gusvoi ( 2015-09-01 19:38:25 +0200 )edit

@gusvoi As discussed in another thread, maintaining another, "stable/bugless" branch of Sailfish is too much work. But you know, the OS gets better over time. Just wait ;-)

jollailija ( 2015-09-01 20:04:30 +0200 )edit

@gusvoi Unlike Android or iOS, Jolla had only become more stable and faster over time ;-)

It amazes me how fast the phone starts apps with the latest update. This is on ancient hardware, and it still improves...

By contrast, my Android work phone received a patch for stagefright this week and has been buggy since... It is getting performance issues six months after the latest factory reset (needed because of another update).

So, I'm quite impressed that Jolla improves the performance still two years after its release.

This is not to say that it's perfect and bug free, but this is what tjc is for.

bilgy_no1 ( 2015-09-05 10:25:37 +0200 )edit
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answered 2015-09-01 14:52:12 +0200

Slawek gravatar image

Well, I'm happy.

Even if Jolla has some problems with the system, I'm. I've bought this phone at the first wave in 2013 and still it is my only phone. (In case of troubles I have N9 ;-) ). I like the system, gestures, UI, etc.. Yes, I use android apps but I don't want to use Android system. If I would have native apps I need, I would never install Alien Dalvik. So I think, if someone asks about problem with android apps it is not because they want Android system but wants to use them, thats all.

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answered 2015-09-03 10:53:48 +0200

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In fact I am happy with SailfishOS, because it is what I expected it to be. A not so wide supported system which breaks bounds to the big companies. And I love it for breaking the bounds. And maybe there will be sometime where it also get's more supported by companies when it grows. Having the ability to run Android apps is a big plus. Imagine it wouldn't run these apps, no people who are not geeks could use SailfishOS because it simply would lack everything they are used to. But I agree with most people that maybe the priorities of the developers of SFOS are wrong, we still have no API documentation to make the apps we need to get rid of the Android layer. And the store rules also prevent many very useful Apps.

But what we have is a channel for feedback and great support in the IRC when we have problems. And that's why I stay with SFOS and try to do my best and help other people with problems.

The downside of SFOS is the Jolla phone itself and the lack of spare parts. And also the lack of the promised TOH.

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answered 2015-10-06 00:04:05 +0200

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I was happy until release 1.7. The new release sucks since most of the gestures were removed.

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This. The UI went to hell in 2.0.

alamaki ( 2015-11-05 22:59:54 +0200 )edit
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