Jolla 2nd device HW suggestions. [not relevant]

What most people do not get is 4. (including you), those chips support the hell but aren't hooked up - close to all 45nm SoCs have the same functionality, including IRDA and FM TX/RX, it is just not wired anymore.

you are asking for a larger battery with a reason that needs less battery, you are asking for things already there (BT LE, did you mean BT 4+?), you cannot go larger screen size with keeping the phone dimensions, you need to have a bezel to be able to hold the phone without touching the screen...

First: There is no mention about LE feature in bluetooth section at gsmarena overview, instead e.g. SGS5... Second: You say I wish about misinterpreted features - I say YES! Jolla have lack of energy when is coming about talk time - you can see the very bottom position in comparison to its competitors (jollausers battery review)... though this is most important functionality when it comes about mobile phone! And the last one: It is certainly possible to give us a larger screen in the same frame (DOT). You can see LG G2 bezel size which not the most recent model. Maybe this successfully could show you how thin bezel is possible to be but this is just example.

Don't take issue with me, its just my opinion, you can write your own remarks at suggestions thread.

Yes, let's be not offended by each other's opinion. Sorry about the BT LE confusion, I thought it is integrated with the SoC but not active on the software side but indeed the HW seems missing - just like an NFC antenna. But, the lack of BT LE hardware in Jolla is not the issue, I just checked my BT devices - I have like 6 BT active devices and only one does have a low energy powersaving mode but I doubt it does BT LE. For the screen size - other phones do not have an edge gesture based UI, even now I trigger events on the edges (left/right), for sure you could change the Y width (top to bottom) to some extend. For your desire for a larger battery, compared to android devices I am quiet happy with what we got, if the display gets replaced with an OLED you will get even more out of it, there is no need for more battery, there is need for lower consumption.

I'll consider to buy a smartband in future so I mentioned about LE feature. Now, I don't have any LE supporting device... But next gen Jolla is the future plan so it is highly probable it would be neccessary (notice in the future wearable devices market will be getting bigger). Also as you mentioned it could be built in a SoC so it won't generate a perceived cost, on the contrary I don't want a dedicated chip (like Apple is applying) because it is more expensive. Also if I would like to monitor my sleep - smartphone built in sensors are not so accurate like a standalone device so my need of having BT LE has double benefits for me.

Your argument about screen may be implicated that you understood me wrong. I see that theres not enough space to increase display to 5 inches ;) but just a little like competition do for years. Edge based UI it not a obstacle to applying bigger screen. E.g. try to understand that LCD panel is not connected (beyond phisical connection) with digitizer these are part of screen so dimensions of LCD panel can be increased with no influence or complications to UI and also UX after corrective surgeries - thats my opinion.

Theres a smartphones unwritten law: Dear battery was never too much :) I added a remark about battery.

And what is it you would be able to do with those 64 bit octacore, 4GiB device which you can't do now? Merely bragging about it to your Android-wielding friends? 64 bit is fine, as it is does bring benefits. The four cores on my desktop rarely get used all at the same time, let alone on a mobile. The only benefit I see is games. I'd think 4GiB is only required if the phone is capable as acting as desktop, otherwise 2GiB will suffice. As for TOH: I find the current phone too big. I'd gladly give up my "first one" in exchange for a smaller device. Also, there are few if any must-have OH's available, so the need for compatibility is low.

I do agree on NFC.

4 Cores are great for games and it would be awesome for using the phone as a small pc connected to an hdmi monitor or something like that. The current phone is great of course, but it is not running smoth most of the time :/

64 bit and 4Gb RAM is not needed for survival, but while planing a new phone they could take a look on many high end phones on the market.

@Fuzzillogic: The Jolla is a Qt5/Wayland/systemd-running computer, why not make it a desktop? But I do agree that OH compatibility isn't a huge deal (if a keyboard OH comes out, that's another story, although I'd gladly buy a 2nd gen Jolla and a keyboard OH for it too).

Yeah, better loudspeaker please!!

In theory if we can get an updated kernel in the current phone (LE needs 3.5 AFAIK) we can have it. I think i read somewhere that they ported the patches back but no idea if jolla is working on it.

I like your HW suggestions!

Add 802.11ac dual band chip and gamepad compatible bluetooth (ps3 sixaxis)

There should be a possibility for sixaxis using the terminal... I got it working with the N9.

Oh yes! :)

Absolutely. And, dual sim with 4G support on both!

it will be like in those cheap china OEM phones so definitely not !

@Marold was that about the dualsim or the 4G on both of them?

DualSIM would be an advantage when travelling too. But would sockets for two microSIMs fit inside?

"Uptime should be at least two full days in low to medium use" I get close to a week - last charge was Friday afternoon, now we have Wednesday evening and I am down to 40% with quiet some browsing on the weekend, some texting and a few 5-10minute calls... North America... well there is a market but it seems to be the smallest of all markets - 350M devices are peanuts compared to Asia, 10% SailfishOS in China is probably about 30% of NA... 10% of Asia is probably 100% of NA. Even Europe is a much bigger market than NA. And not to forget the 1B people in Africa in need of a Jolla shipped with a Solar-Charger-TOH.

Toxip, As an addition to your suggestions when it comes to TOH backwards compatibility I think that Jolla could offer several form factors of TOHs. The old one that fits the current Jolla should still work for the second Jolla for models with the same form factor, but lets say a model with a bigger screen could have a differents TOH that fits for that size. I hope you understand what I mean.

@chemist I don't know how you can make Jolla last for more than a week since it only last for 1,5 days at max. NA market may be small but that doesn't make it less important. I think it's very important market for Jolla to gain wider adaptation. Jolla is doing the right thing starting with Asian market where it has better chances to gain foothold but they should eventually try to enter NA market as well.

@Larswad Jolla is designed to be used with only one hand. Having a bigger screen would make it harder to use. 4.5" screen is too big for some people already. Jolla probably wouldn't have the resources to release two devices, it's too risky. Honestly, I don't understand why manufacturers want to create bigger and bigger devices, Jolla doesn't need to join that race. Although the 2nd Jolla should be a bit different than the first one to distinguish it from the previous one. Maybe slightly slimmer.

@Toxip I know of the importance in terms of developers - and NA people are easily manipulated to buy fancy tech stuff too... for the 1,5d of lasting battery, I do not use whatsapp... and I managed to drain it to 20% last night while fiddling for 2 hours. So I charged last night, that has a 120+ hours use (Fri100%->Wed20%), those % left on the device usually gave me another day, I have to admit I have pretty good LTE coverage over here so the consumption should be even lower than with GSM/EDGE

@chemist Sure it won't be easy to enter NA market. Nokia struggled for a long time to enter the market but never really got there. I use mitäkuuluu so it's probably why it drains my battery. Still 1,5d ain't too shabby. I have only 3G so that may drain it. Is LTE energy conservative, I didn't know that. Maybe I should get a 4G connection then. :)