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Poll: have you managed to convince your Andr/Apple loving friend to switch to Jolla

asked 2014-04-04 12:53:05 +0300

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Hello Sailors! Here is pretty simple question for you: have you managed to convince any of your friends or collegues or whatever, who actually never heard about Jolla before, to switch to it? What were the major difficulties while taliking with your friends about it? I know every one of us tried to do it. You can write about your experience on this subject in comments and please vote, so we could get some numbers.

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Due to my age, my friends see a mobile phone for what it is; something to make calls with and to send the occasional text.

When I showed a few friends the Jolla and what it couldn't do, I was the laughing stock for about 5 minutes until we all needed our oxygen tanks to breathe, bearing in mind this was OS 1.0.0.5 (the beginning).

If anything, the phone didn't raise any eyebrows, but created plenty of frowny faces, as to why I had spent so much money on an incomplete phone! (They didn't quite understand the bit about development by the user).

The best part about the phone for my friends, is you can change its appearance with new TOH's, until I told them how much they were, now one of my friends is still recovering in hospital, after laughing himself into an asthma attack!

I got given a Samsung Galaxy S2 with a broken USB port (repaired for £7) and installed a stable version of Cyanogenmod. The screen is bright, the phone is functional and above all, it does what you ask of it and to be honest, I like it!, it all works!

A friend still uses his immaculate Nokia N8 (he won't part with it), which if we are honest, the only thing that really lets that phone down, is the OS, otherwise, it's a cracking camera, then the USB OTG, the HDMI out, all nice features. Even the S2 will output video with the right cable! (MHL).

It's Nokia or Samsung for the majority of my friends, who got their phones on contract back in the days of Jesus and refuse to upgrade, because and I quote; "I like my little phone, it's very reliable and I know how to use it". (Wow, I sounds like an old fart!!, I'm mid 40's, not so old, eh?) :D

I'm selling my Jolla, it was bought with money I didn't have, I've had the experience (been, seen, done it) so I will repay my debt from Jolla proceeds, maybe a friend might like to buy it, but I doubt that very much, that will be like trying to sell sand to Arabs.

Right, all jokes and japes aside, I quite like my Jolla, but not enough to be keeping hold of it, it's going on eBay this week! I noticed one went for £320.00, 'The First One' edition, which mine is. Minus the stickers, which are now hiding dents on my mountain bike and fridge and of course, my t-shirt is well worn already, but the Jolla is still immaculate, so off to auction it is!

Edz ( 2014-04-04 14:53:06 +0300 )edit

wow, it's really sad :( i'm myself actually convinced my friend to switch from Iphone 5. She liked gesture-based interface and TOH technology. Although i also have couple of friends with "what the hell is this crap?" attitude =\

virgi26 ( 2014-04-04 14:59:32 +0300 )edit

Changing all entries into Wiki entries, since this is a poll question.

00prometheus ( 2014-04-04 15:48:27 +0300 )edit
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  • co-workers like the gesture UI and full screen without bar notification and discrete notifications.

  • my part: too many things not yet working/ready exposed at another topic, This just final beta 1.0.4.20 and not release for my self as end user. version 1.0.4.20 mostly a smartphone for closed group developers level, linux fans, not for end user like user came from SymbianOS S3 Belle on Nokia N8-00 (too many things can doing only at developer mode but should interest user level !)

Still a lot of works before reach more generic customers.

Sometime, i think the SailfishOS/software are mostly used only at developer mode and almost not tested as user level by developer

redge73 ( 2014-04-05 03:11:55 +0300 )edit

I think the 'poll' here is a bit out of hand as the answers are more like commentary than actual options to vote for. In my case a few are interested, but a definite and big blocker is the fact it doesn't work with a Mac (really bad for me too). Also the size is a turnoff for some. Apps I have found to be less of an issue.

Setok ( 2014-04-05 15:00:41 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-11-26 10:15:36 +0300

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updated 2014-11-26 10:25:36 +0300

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Most of my friends are tech crowd but are very price conscious. They look at Jolla specs and the price which definitely are no where close to the competition and come back to me with the argument that cyanogen mod and lot of other "awesome mods" exist for android while your sailfish is not even 100 % open !

That was one part of the story while the tablet pricing was attractive enough for the first time , the lack of immediate purchase option also holds them back . This time their excuse was when the tablet arrives there would be newer and better performing tablets in the price range ? But they know their argument is weak and they will buy a jolla tablet soon :D

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answered 2014-12-28 16:45:25 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:27:28 +0300

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I've convinced lots of them but the problem remains Jolla does not ship to my country and could only offer them Jolla Launcher and ported image if their phone has received a port

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answered 2014-04-04 17:41:07 +0300

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updated 2014-04-04 18:23:08 +0300

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Def managed to get some interest from at least one person, but haven't shown the phone too much. Lots of frowns when people hear the price, but loads of acknowledgements re OS. Most of my friends are fandroids, hence all their information is in google, not sure there's any better google client than android, but then it can't do anything else right, so shrug. I like who things are now... Jolla small, I can IRC with them, all good.

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answered 2014-04-06 14:51:08 +0300

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updated 2014-04-06 14:52:01 +0300

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Wouldn't it be easier to convince those who have fallen out of love with their Androids or iPhones instead of targetting those crazy in love? My loved ones are eagerly waiting to replace their phones with a (slightly smaller) jolla one. ...and that is just a matter of time now (fingers crossed).

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answered 2014-04-15 02:41:23 +0300

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updated 2014-04-15 02:56:18 +0300

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I am known as a bit of a phone freak at work so nobody pays much attention to frequency of changes anymore. A couple of eyebrows were raised that I had preordered a mobile last year. Majority of my colleagues are switching to Windows strangely enough. Those that I have shown my Jolla to can see the potential for the UI but if you have only used Android or iOS it does seem complicated. As a previous N9 user it took a couple of hours to get fully used to it. As mention above, the browser does need work, not so much in display but in handling transitions and tabs, also moving back a page seems to confuse it a bit. Video playback is rough, more controls are definitely needed and it murders the battery. Notifications are good but it would be nice to have Google+ support for this. My wife wants a Jolla and I did have a collegue wavering for a while until he went for a Lumia 1520, he wanted the camera and video functionality. I will stick with Jolla though, Android and iOS are prehistoric from a design / efficiency perspective and I always used to describe Windows mobile as a kind of Maemo light. We all know a mobile OS is not created overnight and I exceptionally pleased at the progress so far. I had a play with a Samsung G5 earlier today and while it is impressive from a hardware point of view, it did not excite me from a useability front that the Jolla does. I am using Jolla as my only mobile device but I am missing Hangouts video and my kobobooks library. Basic mobile functionality is perfect i.e voice and texting, IM is good, email is good, maps are a step back verses N9 or Android 4.2/3, music media is excellent, video is poor, browsing needs work. So as it stands to me right now, Jolla is perfectly viable as a individual low to mid range mobile. The easiest way to sell Jolla is that Sailfish is not owned by a big data company. Privacy and the right to it is getting to be a big deal.

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answered 2014-04-15 12:37:39 +0300

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updated 2014-04-15 12:37:39 +0300

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I am really happy with my phone, there are just two things I absolutely dislike about it.

But these two things are actually the reason why I explicitly recommend my friends not to buy a Jolla (yet).

  • Privacy
  • Security

Especially with regards to apps. Won't go into details here, just search for "security", "privacy", "permissions" or similar terms to find enough stuff to make you cringe whenever you install a new app.

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@tokaru - could you explain with greater detail?

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The situation is a bit scary for people not used to it, I can understand that. Seeing such an open discussion isn't exactly the industry standard, but it is the normal for the linux community. There is nothing alarming about those topics. Things are simply on par with other linux distributions and having the normal openess here is a good sign, imho.

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I agree, and I am very happy to see this openly discussed in here. From a linux OS background, thinking in terms of a pocket PC rather than a telephone, it might not be alarming. But in the mobile phone context, people who are new to SailfishOS do not expect an app to be able to mess up their data/day/device/live. If this state is just normal and won't fix, apps should rather be called "programs" (to avoid this wide-spread connotation of mobile apps) and there should be some kind of confirm dialog pointing out security risks before installation.

tokaru ( 2014-04-16 11:03:44 +0300 )edit
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Most apps (for all systems) have risks and usually never inform the user of them. The balance between security and convenience is difficult. ...very much so.

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answered 2014-11-26 15:24:42 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:27:15 +0300

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My wife, former user of N8 decided against a Jolla after she has seen the issues that plague me. Now she has an Samsung S3 (or 4?) mini.

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answered 2014-11-26 17:08:42 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:26:59 +0300

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Actually I sell only things I can stand behind 99,9%. For the moment I am very positive about the software in general. Although it is missing some core features such as integrated Voip, IM and Videochat protocols to make it really rock I don't think that is a problem on short term, as long as solutions come. So far support is still fully ongoing so there is no reason not to believe the system will grow completer.

Reason to not push friends however is because I feel not so pleased with the Jolla phone's hardware (not spec wise, just personal experience), so I can't fully recommend it and feel comfortable. Suppose they don't have to go through the same misery there is still the mediocre speaker, not so outdoor readable display etc.. Maybe at 199Euro retail price the picture would be different.

My current challenge is to give iOS / Android users incentive to change their opinion about their OS in later stage.

I try my best to make them question their purchase and let them feel not everyone is a natural follower of those platforms and their business model and that HW specs are not everything. Having the latest hardware does not mean anything if it is running only Android or iOS, I think I made that clear well enough.

Also I try to recommend Jolla and Sailfish to possible partners such as Mobile Vikings BE (they replied thew will look into it -Vikings , Sailors -you know) and never seize to write Sygic for getting an update on their Sailfish plans.

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answered 2014-12-26 21:50:50 +0300

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My friends do not deserve to use a Jolla, only the elected can possess one.

No seriously, the only friend "linux-friendly" who had thought to buy a jolla decided to go for an OnePlus One..

So i don't suggest this phone to people who don't like to experiment, and they are very few, I also don't have enough knowledge to use properly a phone like this, and i would be more content with a simple Android, but i decided to go UNLIKE although i knew it would have been hard to use it as a every day phone (the "problem" is the low compatibility with android, expecially apps like whatsapp, that are as for now of common use)

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The compatibility is actually pretty great as most of the Android games work flawlessly. To me the biggest problem is that most of the Android apps I need are not available in Yandex.

Harakiri ( 2014-12-28 17:13:40 +0300 )edit

What i intended is that it is impossible to use any social app, since we have problems with the notifications

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answered 2014-12-28 17:01:10 +0300

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updated 2014-12-28 17:03:47 +0300

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I haven't even properly tried, because it always boils down to applications that are not available, like Sportstracker, WhatsApp, Slack etc.

But I must say that especially after U10 Jolla is really good now and the browser on par with Android's Firefox performance-wise.

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