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Poll: have you managed to convince your Andr/Apple loving friend to switch to Jolla

asked 2014-04-04 12:53:05 +0300

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Hello Sailors! Here is pretty simple question for you: have you managed to convince any of your friends or collegues or whatever, who actually never heard about Jolla before, to switch to it? What were the major difficulties while taliking with your friends about it? I know every one of us tried to do it. You can write about your experience on this subject in comments and please vote, so we could get some numbers.

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Due to my age, my friends see a mobile phone for what it is; something to make calls with and to send the occasional text.

When I showed a few friends the Jolla and what it couldn't do, I was the laughing stock for about 5 minutes until we all needed our oxygen tanks to breathe, bearing in mind this was OS 1.0.0.5 (the beginning).

If anything, the phone didn't raise any eyebrows, but created plenty of frowny faces, as to why I had spent so much money on an incomplete phone! (They didn't quite understand the bit about development by the user).

The best part about the phone for my friends, is you can change its appearance with new TOH's, until I told them how much they were, now one of my friends is still recovering in hospital, after laughing himself into an asthma attack!

I got given a Samsung Galaxy S2 with a broken USB port (repaired for £7) and installed a stable version of Cyanogenmod. The screen is bright, the phone is functional and above all, it does what you ask of it and to be honest, I like it!, it all works!

A friend still uses his immaculate Nokia N8 (he won't part with it), which if we are honest, the only thing that really lets that phone down, is the OS, otherwise, it's a cracking camera, then the USB OTG, the HDMI out, all nice features. Even the S2 will output video with the right cable! (MHL).

It's Nokia or Samsung for the majority of my friends, who got their phones on contract back in the days of Jesus and refuse to upgrade, because and I quote; "I like my little phone, it's very reliable and I know how to use it". (Wow, I sounds like an old fart!!, I'm mid 40's, not so old, eh?) :D

I'm selling my Jolla, it was bought with money I didn't have, I've had the experience (been, seen, done it) so I will repay my debt from Jolla proceeds, maybe a friend might like to buy it, but I doubt that very much, that will be like trying to sell sand to Arabs.

Right, all jokes and japes aside, I quite like my Jolla, but not enough to be keeping hold of it, it's going on eBay this week! I noticed one went for £320.00, 'The First One' edition, which mine is. Minus the stickers, which are now hiding dents on my mountain bike and fridge and of course, my t-shirt is well worn already, but the Jolla is still immaculate, so off to auction it is!

Edz ( 2014-04-04 14:53:06 +0300 )edit

wow, it's really sad :( i'm myself actually convinced my friend to switch from Iphone 5. She liked gesture-based interface and TOH technology. Although i also have couple of friends with "what the hell is this crap?" attitude =\

virgi26 ( 2014-04-04 14:59:32 +0300 )edit

Changing all entries into Wiki entries, since this is a poll question.

00prometheus ( 2014-04-04 15:48:27 +0300 )edit
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  • co-workers like the gesture UI and full screen without bar notification and discrete notifications.

  • my part: too many things not yet working/ready exposed at another topic, This just final beta 1.0.4.20 and not release for my self as end user. version 1.0.4.20 mostly a smartphone for closed group developers level, linux fans, not for end user like user came from SymbianOS S3 Belle on Nokia N8-00 (too many things can doing only at developer mode but should interest user level !)

Still a lot of works before reach more generic customers.

Sometime, i think the SailfishOS/software are mostly used only at developer mode and almost not tested as user level by developer

redge73 ( 2014-04-05 03:11:55 +0300 )edit

I think the 'poll' here is a bit out of hand as the answers are more like commentary than actual options to vote for. In my case a few are interested, but a definite and big blocker is the fact it doesn't work with a Mac (really bad for me too). Also the size is a turnoff for some. Apps I have found to be less of an issue.

Setok ( 2014-04-05 15:00:41 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-12-31 09:46:36 +0300

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If somebody asks I say that this phone requires quite lot of adventurous spirit. Things like factory reset bringing up very old version of os, os updates requiring store account, email support requiring download software before options come available, no UI support for SDCard etc are bit user-unfriendly.

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I have to agree with you , one of the most sensible comments ever. I come from a GNU/Linux world and the convenience this UI offers is just beyond my wildest dreams , I was very late in purchasing the phone and by the time I purchased new updates ironed out all the silly glitches which are very common in new systems like sailfish os. The fact that its new hardware , new software despite its roots of maemo,meego and even Mer added with some common effort shared with ubuntu phone , I just cant help but appreciate this tech marvel. Yes I sound like a PR piece but I have used N900 and also tried out firefox os and all those *droid stuff.

My only concern is the lack of native development. I wish it increases and pushes out those *droid apps . Regarding "Account creation" for updates cmon every other distro except firefox os asks you to create an account and I wonder why they are doing this , maybe to collect usage statistics. Its just a one time thing . Create an account and be done with it.

pavi ( 2015-01-01 07:41:53 +0300 )edit

Please vote and comment on the SD Card thread its related threads which are linked to it. https://together.jolla.com/question/57028/os-is-not-making-proper-use-of-the-sd-card/

pavi ( 2015-01-01 07:42:20 +0300 )edit

Yes, I have voted for the SD card. I also bought my Jolla month ago, so probably haven't seen the worst.

And having logged into store for upgrade isn't big thing, but it could be much much easier if for example in first welcome wizard phone checked and offered upgrade firmware without store registration etc. If I do phone setup for someone else and ask about creating some credentials I always get some frowns and people always forgot those.

And it would be much easier if after failed upgrade you could a) Factory restore to fresh installation of latest firmware. b) Roll back upgrade. I know that current setup uses BTFRS snapshots but its reverting to first SailfishOS release ever (?) and as more time time passes on and new releases come, less handy it is.

Also basic thing like Email setup could have some kind of wizard asking what kind of account do you have (Gmail, Office 365, Outlook.com, MS Exchange, Yahoo, Yandex, Facebook whatever), download automatically required software, set settings and enable security settings if server requests those.

Now with MS Exchange I had to figure out to download Exchange app before it was a option in accounts and as a last step in account creation it said that my phone doesn't have security features enabled required by server. It didn't offer to turn them on, it didn't even say what features were required and only option was cancel wizard, try to guess what is needed and run wizard again writing all the settings over again.

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answered 2014-12-30 02:18:07 +0300

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updated 2015-01-02 14:47:10 +0300

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I really like my Jolla.

But I honestly point out to others that the Sailfish OS still has lots of quirks and lacks some basic phone features (3g video calling comes to mind).

The phone I recommend to them is iPhone for one simple reason - PRIVACY.

Apart from the encryption, I LOVE how ios let me totally control and define what api or data an app can access. (Why the f### does a game need access to our "contacts", right?). I sorely miss this in Sailfish OS, and I think Jolla shouldn't taut "privacy" as a feature unless it actually does protect our private data. (To expand on this criticism - [I remember reading] Jolla has some agreement with Facebook where it treats the user's data obtained from Facebook as Facebook's property. Ofcourse, not Jolla's fault but ... )

(Yes, the ios platform is actually quite good at protecting your private data provided you don't put your data in the "cloud").

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Is it possible to use an iPhone without an apple login?

vattuvarg ( 2014-12-30 12:58:42 +0300 )edit

Privacy? :)

clouseau ( 2015-01-02 11:56:44 +0300 )edit

@vattuvarg - I assume you meant if an iPhone / iPad can be used without iCloud? Yes you can. Just because you need an apple id doesn't mean you have to use the iCloud features too. An easy way is also provided to disable those iCloud features that you do not wish to use. (Remember that your Jolla phone also requires a Jolla account to get OS / app updates and to use the app store). @clouseau - Your surprise (or sarcasm) is not surprising. Out of all the existing mobile platform, ios is the ONLY one that allows its users (1) a choice on how much of their data they want to "put in the clouds" (2) to place restrictions on "apps" on what personal data / OS feature can be accessed. (On a side note, the stability of the OS is also really impressive - it rarely crashes and / or needs restarts.) Also, unlike Google, Apple is not a company that makes money by datamining users data and selling it to the government and advertisers. They design good hardware and software and sell it at a premium.

sifartech ( 2015-01-02 14:33:00 +0300 )edit

Privacy and (not) keeping your photos music on the cloud are two different things. It's not sarcasm btw. Your statement nearly suprised me ;)

clouseau ( 2015-01-02 14:53:26 +0300 )edit

@clouseau - I guess that depends on personal perspective. You may be comfortable storing your photos, music, documents etc., on any one of the free providers (picasa, dropbox, onedrive etc.). But I don't trust such free providers who are also for-profit businesses. They need to make money somehow, and today the most popular way to do that is to collect your (a users) personal data, create a profile and sell this to advertisers and / or government agencies. You might say it's fine, and that's ok - it's your data and you don't mind exchanging it for something free, right? But is it really all "your" data? There may be other people in your photos. You violate their privacy - and they may care about it - when you put photos including them on the internet. You may insist on using a free email provider like Gmail, and so someone who avoids using Gmail but is forced to email to your Gmail id loses his / her privacy because Google / Gmail will then start creating a profile on them too - even though they don't want that. And so on ... "privacy" is getting real tricky today ... :)

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answered 2014-12-29 19:24:05 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 20:31:17 +0300

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I think it's too early for to talk anyone into switching to Jolla. First, which Android user would switch to a phone that focuses simulating Android (and not very well). Second, the phone still isn't fully functional (probably partly due that the devs focus on Android compatibility instead of fixing the basic useability issues

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answered 2014-12-28 17:01:10 +0300

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updated 2014-12-28 17:03:47 +0300

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I haven't even properly tried, because it always boils down to applications that are not available, like Sportstracker, WhatsApp, Slack etc.

But I must say that especially after U10 Jolla is really good now and the browser on par with Android's Firefox performance-wise.

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answered 2014-12-28 16:45:25 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:27:28 +0300

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I've convinced lots of them but the problem remains Jolla does not ship to my country and could only offer them Jolla Launcher and ported image if their phone has received a port

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answered 2014-12-26 21:50:50 +0300

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My friends do not deserve to use a Jolla, only the elected can possess one.

No seriously, the only friend "linux-friendly" who had thought to buy a jolla decided to go for an OnePlus One..

So i don't suggest this phone to people who don't like to experiment, and they are very few, I also don't have enough knowledge to use properly a phone like this, and i would be more content with a simple Android, but i decided to go UNLIKE although i knew it would have been hard to use it as a every day phone (the "problem" is the low compatibility with android, expecially apps like whatsapp, that are as for now of common use)

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The compatibility is actually pretty great as most of the Android games work flawlessly. To me the biggest problem is that most of the Android apps I need are not available in Yandex.

Harakiri ( 2014-12-28 17:13:40 +0300 )edit

What i intended is that it is impossible to use any social app, since we have problems with the notifications

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answered 2014-11-26 17:08:42 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:26:59 +0300

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Actually I sell only things I can stand behind 99,9%. For the moment I am very positive about the software in general. Although it is missing some core features such as integrated Voip, IM and Videochat protocols to make it really rock I don't think that is a problem on short term, as long as solutions come. So far support is still fully ongoing so there is no reason not to believe the system will grow completer.

Reason to not push friends however is because I feel not so pleased with the Jolla phone's hardware (not spec wise, just personal experience), so I can't fully recommend it and feel comfortable. Suppose they don't have to go through the same misery there is still the mediocre speaker, not so outdoor readable display etc.. Maybe at 199Euro retail price the picture would be different.

My current challenge is to give iOS / Android users incentive to change their opinion about their OS in later stage.

I try my best to make them question their purchase and let them feel not everyone is a natural follower of those platforms and their business model and that HW specs are not everything. Having the latest hardware does not mean anything if it is running only Android or iOS, I think I made that clear well enough.

Also I try to recommend Jolla and Sailfish to possible partners such as Mobile Vikings BE (they replied thew will look into it -Vikings , Sailors -you know) and never seize to write Sygic for getting an update on their Sailfish plans.

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answered 2014-11-26 15:24:42 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:27:15 +0300

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My wife, former user of N8 decided against a Jolla after she has seen the issues that plague me. Now she has an Samsung S3 (or 4?) mini.

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answered 2014-11-26 10:15:36 +0300

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updated 2014-11-26 10:25:36 +0300

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Most of my friends are tech crowd but are very price conscious. They look at Jolla specs and the price which definitely are no where close to the competition and come back to me with the argument that cyanogen mod and lot of other "awesome mods" exist for android while your sailfish is not even 100 % open !

That was one part of the story while the tablet pricing was attractive enough for the first time , the lack of immediate purchase option also holds them back . This time their excuse was when the tablet arrives there would be newer and better performing tablets in the price range ? But they know their argument is weak and they will buy a jolla tablet soon :D

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answered 2014-11-25 21:22:42 +0300

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updated 2014-12-29 11:28:06 +0300

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It's kinda hard to convince people to invest into an idea/vision they don't already share (partially). Especially such an expensive one. F.e. I didn't buy the Jolla Phone because I'm a poor student and I just can't buy an entry-level Smartphone for High-End prices. If it was like 200€ I would've got one. However, I think the tablet is reasonably priced, still a bit above the rest, but hey, Jolla is small and likeable, most competitors aren't. I ordered one and some friends showed a bit of interest, if the Tab is well built I guess I could find a couple of friends who at least get really interested into Jolla.

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Don't be fooled by the marketing around "quad or octa cores" .. what use is a hardware if there is no decent software written to exploit the hardware ? Many of the linux people remember running or even still run Linux on bare bone machines like 64 Mb RAM and 800 Mhz processors.

I am also poor but I recently thought I should put my money where my <3 is and it was one of the best decisions ever. I also was thinking like you but after I laid hands on Jolla and am exploring it with gestures, multitasking and hell yeah root shell .. I was like WTF did I do all these days , I should have bought it long back. BTW Jolla via the store is now 250 euros.

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Trust me, I'm not fooled by marketing, I know what I need in a device. I don't need Quad/Octa-cores, but I wanted a screen with 300+ ppi, since I read quite a lot on my device, Kanji that is and you want high ppi to read Kanji. That was what kept me from buying a Jolla device. If it featured a Single-Core, but ~300ppi AMOLED I'd have gotten it, no matter the price, but 250ppi IPS just wasn't what I was looking for. I got a BB Z10 now and I'm very happy with it. Still I'm really looking forward to the Jolla tablet. It's reasonably priced, the screen is nice (4:3 Hell yeah!) and I think the OS fits tabs quite well. I'm very hyped.

Tobi4s ( 2014-11-26 13:51:37 +0300 )edit
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