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asked 2014-01-20 10:43:49 +0200

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Have you seen questions or tags very close to each other, but not quite duplicates? In this wiki we sort these out together. Add an answer to start a new discussion.

1. Sorting of closely related questions (why is this important?)

2. To achieve a meaningful, clear, intuitive and shared notion of set of tags

3. Already cleaned (links to discussions):

4. Code-of-conduct! Before merging duplicates / changing existing tags:

  • Suggestions (formatted as "Answer") should be listed here for at least 2 working days to see what comments they get.
  • Thereafter, answers should be revised according to the result of the comments, for example, making it clear that a certain set of tags should not be merged and stating the reason.
  • Wait another working day before you start editing tags and check what the discussion is. If previously there has been a lot of different ideas and comments, you may even ask that a moderator gives the go-ahead.
  • Report all retagging with a comment, so that moderators can cleanup the back-end (otherwise unused tags are shown in the list of choises when tagging a question)
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@jgr I edited that part to be not so normative: "If you run into a question that can't actually be answered at all, or is a simple How-to or Poll / Survey consider commenting that to the writer and/or convert the question to a wiki (edit -> mark with "community wiki")"

Is it better now?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 12:38:03 +0200 )edit

I propose to introduce the concept of sticky topics centralizing news / main ideas and so on. A meta-topic could be created to gather sitcky topics title. Yesterday, I was suggested to use tags, but it's not efficient. I think sticky topics could be good to reduce the number of "duplicate topics".

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 10:44:09 +0200 )edit

@TNZ Who selects sticky topics, and by what criteria? And where are they shown?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:01:12 +0200 )edit

@jjaone : The main idea is to have a cleaner area. I think that guys who spend a lot of time here are the best (like admins & moderators) to manage sticky topics and the meta-topic.

Maybe, a specific site section giving news about activity here could help instead of maintening sticky-topics.

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 11:12:20 +0200 )edit

@TNZ A Dashboard giving a quick overview of what is happening in here, hot topis, latest questions, answer, comments, whos on line, top 10 roadmapped and / or closed questions, etc etc..with selectable sticky topics, news, howtos, guides + a link section to related Jolla & developnent spesific sites like Care, Store, blogs and community portals..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:28:01 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-02-01 18:56:31 +0200

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updated 2014-02-01 23:59:48 +0200

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wlan / wifi (are they the same?)

WLAN = Wireless Local.Area.Network

WiFI = Wireless Fidelety

So, they are not the same, but often used as synonymous, and some prefer the other based on what threy have got used to.. Also, Jolla UI mentions 'wlan'.

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Practically yes and ppl tend to use them interchangeably, but there is difference (see e.g here; Wireless LAN is the network based on wireless trchnologies and WiFi is more of a branding name.. IMO here we should use WLAN (also mentioned in the device itself) and change all wifi tags to wlan. I'm quite sure there will be new questions tagged with wifi (some have gotten used to that) but we can change them when encountering rhem.

foss4ever ( 2014-02-01 22:33:58 +0200 )edit

Agreed with @jjaone

simo ( 2014-02-01 22:54:46 +0200 )edit

wlan is good I think

TimTTK ( 2014-02-01 23:27:33 +0200 )edit

i changed all wifi tags to wlan

prometoys ( 2014-02-13 00:15:19 +0200 )edit

what about the tag wireless?

prometoys ( 2014-02-13 00:22:08 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-07-18 10:45:57 +0200

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updated 2014-07-18 12:05:21 +0200

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It can be good to add askbot feature to mark some tag as the synonym, so it will be automatically substituted by "main" tag everywhere

Edit: This feature can be voted here (requires signing in to askbot forum):

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Do you mean (for example) marking mail and email as synonims of e-mail? Yes, that would be great!

IZ1IVA ( 2014-07-18 10:50:52 +0200 )edit

answered 2015-02-19 08:30:28 +0200

Sorry for not obeying the code of conduct, but I did some quick deletion of obvious typos and so on. Some people have tagged their questions as { not , working, make, it, work }

deleted tags: how to (how and to merged to how-to) not working better harware frame mic (merged with microphone) (merged with hotmail)

Sorry if this has been discussed already, I didn't find it at a glance: There must be a huge amount of tags that were used once but not anymore, and are still appearing as suggestions. Cleaning them from the back-end manually is a hassle. How about making a daily cronjob that compares the tags actually used to tags avaiable as suggestions, and deletes the unused ones?

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answered 2015-02-19 20:39:44 +0200

There are currently three ways used to indicate version:

  • by name: Yliaavanlampi
  • by update number: update11
  • by version number:

I suggest everything is tagged by version number.

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answered 2015-07-15 18:06:04 +0200

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updated 2015-07-15 18:10:29 +0200

update is the Featured Tag, but the nomenclature has changed to upgrade to refer to major version upgrades.

Perhaps these can be merged, and the relevant one be placed into the Featured Tags

  • update (21)
  • upgrade (21)
  • upgrades (5)
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answered 2014-01-21 16:40:37 +0200

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updated 2014-01-22 10:13:07 +0200

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Ok, what about the tag app('apps', 'application')? Could it be removed altogether? What additional info does it give to the question? I mean, if the topic is about sw and apps, surely the other tags will tell that, and usually if ppl want to make the difference they seem to use "hardware" when not focusing sw and apps.

Most everything in the phone is apps and sw also the system with the OS, libs, tools, etc.. except ofc the hardware itself so why the 'app'?

What do you think?

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Uh. Just checked tags for app and found even more

  • application (20)
  • apps (37)
naytsyrhc ( 2014-01-21 16:44:44 +0200 )edit

Yeh, IMO both could be removed.. ;) But theapp-request should stay, caause it's ok to have in addition to feature-request ..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 16:49:34 +0200 )edit

While I understand the reasoning behind, I'm not sure, I'd rather draw a line between the OS and the apps that sit on top of it (yes, even the bundled ones).

Out the three above. I'd keep apps (in plural form) as it is now a common term for smartphone software.

IZ1IVA ( 2014-01-21 16:53:33 +0200 )edit

But I'd say tagging those questions with "mail-app"/"mail" or "map-app"/"maps" instead would be better and agree with jjaone that "app" alone does not really help to organise the questions. Almost all questions could have that tag.

naytsyrhc ( 2014-01-21 17:00:59 +0200 )edit

imo, app, or any tag like that, wouldn't work in a long run. From the beginning, it would be useful to think about the app tagging concidering 100 000 Sailfish apps, 500 000 android apps, and the apps not released in either store. For useful tagging, I'd suggest a serie of tags beginning like app- (app-request mentioned is a good example). Also, each app should be tagged with it's name (and I mean the name only). The whole issue could be actually worth having it's own question.

simo ( 2014-01-21 17:44:53 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-02-05 22:19:39 +0200

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A big discussion is starting up after Jolla released the TOH developer kit. These 3 questions are involved, each one looking at the issue from a slightly different point of view. There are already a lot of votes, answers and comments and I wouldn't do any cleaning (merging/moving content) in these, but instead I'd like to see all of them having links in the beginning of the question to other two. What do you say?

  1. (21 votes, 3 answers, lot of comments)
  2. (55 votes, 5 answers, lot of comments)
  3. (17 votes, no answers but some comments)
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Questions are presented by @datakurre@TimTTK@fravaccaro, answers so far are from @ymb@TimTTK@simo@virgi26@juju_des_highlands Maybe this involved group could throw in an opinion here?

simo ( 2014-02-05 22:35:45 +0200 )edit

added links for both questions in jolla store extension question.

TimTTK ( 2014-02-05 23:03:40 +0200 )edit

Seems I missed that TOH devdloper kit announcement, could anyone share a link to it? Thanks.

foss4ever ( 2014-02-06 12:54:48 +0200 )edit


simo ( 2014-02-06 12:58:26 +0200 )edit

@simo Thanks ;)

foss4ever ( 2014-02-06 13:14:46 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-02-06 12:38:07 +0200

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updated 2014-02-06 15:44:00 +0200

How about:

  • network (38)
  • networking (1)

Maybe even:

  • connman (13)

and merge

  • connection (33) <-- internet/network/gprs connection
  • connect (6) <-- bluetooth, wlan, usb and for some reason steam
  • connectivity (28) <-- same as connection
  • connection-problem (1) <-- This is about the usb connection
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Networking is what you do in a network and connman is a daemon to manage network connections in embedded Linux envs ;) I'd go for networkand leave that connmanstay cause when qiestions have been tagged with it the topics probably rekated to the tool, or connection management in Jolla, i.e not to be merged with network (which is the infrastructure to get connected with).

foss4ever ( 2014-02-06 12:51:26 +0200 )edit

Ok, but there also is connection, connect, connectivity, connection-problem...

PyroDevil ( 2014-02-06 12:58:36 +0200 )edit

Which you didn't mention in your post ;) You could just add them there and suggest what should we do about them..

foss4ever ( 2014-02-06 13:16:51 +0200 )edit

answered 2014-02-12 15:29:32 +0200

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updated 2014-02-12 15:34:46 +0200

eric gravatar image


another potential set of duplicate tags:

  • remorse (1)
  • remorse-timer (1)
  • remorsetimer (9)
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answered 2014-02-17 01:48:42 +0200

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updated 2014-02-17 01:49:41 +0200

What do you think should be done about a duplicate question, if the duplicate has (significantly) more votes, but the older one is more informative or has relevant discussion in comments?

The one I'm thinking about now:

Duplicate: (+8)

Older: (+2)

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@ssahla: the older post prevails IMHO. While closing as duplicate, an answer providing the link to the original as well as invitation to vote/comment there, plus adding duplicate tag are the current practices...

eric ( 2014-02-17 13:33:40 +0200 )edit
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