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The Jolla Tablet. We make it. You make it yours. [not a question]

asked 2014-11-19 11:32:40 +0300

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updated 2014-11-19 17:39:43 +0300

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Dear Jolla Community,

We're so excited to launch our Jolla Tablet Indiegogo campaign with the world's first crowdsourced tablet! We have a vision, we have a target, and now we’re looking to you, our incredible community, to help make this happen.

Crowdsourcing has been the foundation of so many amazing, inspiring and independent products, and what it stands for taps directly into Jolla’s ethos. All of our customers can have their say on the direction of our products, and because Sailfish OS is open, you can change whatever you want, whenever you want.

Help us make the Jolla Tablet, then be a part of making it yours! You can do it right here on together.jolla.com. If you have a feature idea for the Jolla Tablet, create a post here with both the tags jolla-tablet and feature-request. Use a separate post for each idea, instead of gathering multiple feature requests in a single post. Please check for existing posts that might contain your idea, in some cases it's better to expand on a similar idea and gather the votes to the same post instead of starting a new one.

Start sharing your ideas and casting your votes now! We will prioritize our feature considerations by the number of votes, and if it's feasible, we will make it happen based on your suggestions.

Pledge today and help us shake up the tech world :) http://igg.me/at/jolla-tablet

With all our gratitude,

Jolla Team

P.S: More information at https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204228083-Jolla-Tablet-FAQ-

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i don't like tablets, but i support sailors with 10$. nice work, keep on sailing

piwostar ( 2014-11-19 11:39:45 +0300 )edit
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Finally a tablet based on a "real" GNU/Linuxxy operating system. I was so depressed when the Vivaldi project was stopped... I have no idea how you people will be able to maintain tablet and phone branches, but I just love you for trying. Of course I ordered right away. :)

ossi1967 ( 2014-11-19 11:52:35 +0300 )edit
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What does it mean for the phone? Will it get less care? What about future updates? Will 2.0 also arrive there?

Blizzz ( 2014-11-19 12:21:54 +0300 )edit
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I don't like tablets, too. It's not mobile to have it in my pocket and if I want to have a bigger screen than my Jolla I take my notebook, but sail on, the tablet seems to have a good quality, that's what I wish for the next Jolla Phone, high end quality

NuklearFart ( 2014-11-19 12:32:06 +0300 )edit

More RAM!!! for 64bit CPU 8GB is the only sane minimum

ortylp ( 2014-11-19 13:02:28 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-11-19 11:51:56 +0300

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Hi, while I appreciate your enthusiasm for the new tablet, I would like Jolla to improve sailfish as the phone is currently missing many features.

From the indiegogo page it is stated that the new tablet will have sailfish 2.0, I guess that jolla phone will get sailfish 2.0 too but this is not stated; and even if the jolla phone will get sailfish 2.0 it'll be in May 2015.

I currently don't need a tablet, but I would like to use all the features of the phone, as currently I can't because of the limits in sailfish. That said, I want to highlight that I strongly appreciate Jolla effort in monthly release and in continuous improvement of Sailfish. I fear the tablet will drain away some development effort that was until now put into the monthly releases.

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Full ack. I also worry that the phone will become a second class citizen.

Blizzz ( 2014-11-19 12:20:25 +0300 )edit
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I do think that the phone will get 2.0, and maybe before the tablet, as SW releases are not chained to HW releases. I would even think that the phone will serve as a test platform for 2.0.

Sfiet_Konstantin ( 2014-11-19 12:31:01 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-19 11:41:10 +0300

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updated 2014-11-19 16:43:22 +0300

I would gladly pledge to buy one if it didn't use an Intel chip. I loathe their corporate ethos and long history of anticompetitive practice. They're also one of the biggest inward investors in Israel, and frequently announce huge investments immediately after the outrages committed there. Besides, their products simply aren't competitive with ARM. The only design wins they've had in the mobile space have been ones where the price for the chips was drastically slashed, to try to drive adoption and win marketshare from ARM ... can only assume that is again the case here. Seriously hope this is a one and done ... were the next phone to also use an Intel chip, that would mark the end of my interest in Jolla.

I would make a feature request for an ARM SoC - and there will be dozens of powerful tablet class A57s available by the time this ships - but assume the deal has already been done.

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Yeah, completely agree with you (middle-east politics aside :). ARM is giving serious competition to Intel and Intel has been forced to heavily subsidize these Intel based tablets and phones. In fact, some analysts are publicly saying that they are actually selling it at a loss. I keep track of Chinese tablets and suddenly find that it is flooded with intel-based Windows and Android tablets. Intel (and Microsoft) also seem to spending a lot on heavily promoting these tablets. Good for Jolla that they are using this opportunity to get Intel to subsidize their tablet, but do note that many of your users would prefer you stick with, and support ARM processors.

sifartech ( 2014-11-19 12:03:09 +0300 )edit
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New Atom SoC is quite competitive in both performance wise and energy efficiency wise. Missing part is integrated LTE modem, so there cannot be an Atom based single chip design with LTE/GSM functions. It's not that big issue on tablet but obviously it's not suitable for a mobile phone. My experience with older Atom based tablets have been good so far and new generation Atom's have much more grunt than those. Also, as we have seen with our Jolla phones, Qualcomm has restricted several essential bits of software (which has been source of many annoyances in this community), my bet is that Intel is more flexible on that part. Other guess is that Intel can offer high performance SoC on more affordable price for Jolla/subcontractor, which enables competitive pricing - this is very essential for Sailfish OS to gain more ground in the market.

I won't go deeper into middle east politics, but I'm happy to buy products from Israel based companies, or companies that have presence there. Besides, ARM Holdings and Qualcomm also have offices in Israel. There's a reason why such companies invest in Israel...

MSH ( 2014-11-19 15:18:53 +0300 )edit
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They're not competitive. If you compare the A53/A57 generation of chips with the current Atom 22nm chips (or next year's 14nm) ones they're just about competitive in some benchmarks and lose badly in others, and this is at a much higher TDP. Typically the entire chipset for a high performance ARM SoC will have similar TDP to just the CPU/GPU of an Atom based product. Furthermore, price wise, if you take listed bulk prices, the Atoms are 2-4x as expensive as more fully featured ARM products, typically. Intel hasn't and won't win a single mobile / tablet deal without enormous price cuts and/or kickbacks. They lose money on each & every single one. They're becoming more aggressive and desperate, going back to anticompetitive practice (like when they couldn't compete on a like for like basis with AMD). ARM is biting huge chunks out of their server business, and will make significant inroads in the corporate desktop space. What's even more ominous for them is that they appear to be cutting low price deals in the server market now, rather than just mobile ... Amazon are rumoured to have received a huge discount on the latest deal and Intel will lose a lot of money on it. They feel that they can't have such a big name going ARM now, or almost everyone else will follow suit. Hence the ludicrous statement from Amazon last week about ARM lacking performance and not being ready or cost effective for their stated purpose .. when for the application they wanted, it's immensely cheaper to buy, accommodate and maintain, and when comparing density offers far more capacity / performance.


Re: Israel, there is a very big difference between having offices there and investing 10s of billions .. and the reason why companies like Intel do it is because of immense political and economic pressure in the US to appease Israel, tax breaks also help.If you think it's a good place to conduct research, I'd suggest the years of formal and informal academic boycotts have made it anything but.

midnightoil ( 2014-11-19 16:36:04 +0300 )edit
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Depends on what Atom is in comparison. Silvermont-architecture based cores are quite good and capable chips, they can be safely compared to Snapdragons. Maybe you should actually take a look at those benchmarks. Of course Intel is far behind on market share, mostly due to lack of integrated modem functions on SoC, this is about to change next year. Intel will pay dearly for that market share and Jolla is one of many companies exploiting that opportunity. Your claims on Intel's server side problems are mostly unfounded, however I won't comment on server side of things because it would lead the discussion too much offtopic. On formal and informal boycotts (and other stupid, dishonest and mostly hypocritical stunts performed by people more active on politics rather than actual science and research) they don't seem to have much effect because Israel still has many of the best brains. Some of Intel's most successful architectures have been designed in department of Israel, so it really doesn't take some political conspiracy theory to explain why many high-tech companies have presence and investments there. This will be my final comment on politics, as I don't want to turn TJC to another poisonous mud slinging platform for conflict that will never end. On technical side we can argue if you wish.

MSH ( 2014-11-19 18:52:11 +0300 )edit
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Thank you MSH for this very good comment, it's great that you (and other people) can handle political 'dangers' in such a calm way!

[Edit: Mmm? How comes that (my) such a statement is being downvoted?]

chappi ( 2014-11-19 22:01:12 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-19 14:49:27 +0300

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According to Sam Pienimäki, the hardware specs are already decided, therefore peoples requests should consider only software development. It seems this isn't clear for people, therefore Jolla should make this clear in this official post.

I already made a question about Hardware requests usefulness, and link to an interview with Pienimäki is found there (in finnish): https://together.jolla.com/question/63823/jolla-tablet-considering-hardware-requests-usefulness/

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Still no official notion of this fact, while hardware requests keep popping up. I think a lot of people will be disappointed if this fact isn't emphasized by the company.

Grunt ( 2014-11-19 22:41:19 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-19 12:43:14 +0300

florifreeman gravatar image

Not cool, please focus on the Phone, i was really looking forward to get one!

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answered 2014-11-19 14:07:54 +0300

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Bluetooth would be nice to have. Congratulations for reaching the goal so quickly btw.

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it has bluetooth 4.0

piwostar ( 2014-11-19 14:48:05 +0300 )edit

I see. Sorry it wasn't on the sheet I was looking at(https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1026232/files/20141118091830-comparison-table.png?1416331110), but it is on the other one.

fasza2mobile ( 2014-11-19 22:41:01 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-19 17:25:50 +0300

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I will be interested if it is confirmed to have user removable battery, all its surfaces are matte finishing because I hate seeing scratches on my gadget. Please make back case for this table as well.

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answered 2014-11-19 18:31:29 +0300

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Congratulations JollaHQ and Jolla Community for this fantastic compaign !

Backed the Jolla Tablet and will be among the first ones to get it !

Chris, A THE FIRST ONE Jolla phone owner

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That's the spirit! Jolla Tablet really is a must have. Ordered one, cannot wait...

kt ( 2014-11-19 19:48:21 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-19 17:55:21 +0300

I like part of the ideas shown so far with the Jolla Tablet. It makes sense to pin its start on the relationships/reputations/community experience that has been fostered by Jolla. That said, I'd like to see some more scenes where the Jolla Tablet is being used in collaborative, creative, and productive spaces. I go into it a bit when I chatted about Jolla-Fueled Accessories in a previous item, but it worth seeing Jolla clarify that vision a bit more - even if clarity is in part going to be determined and fueled by the relationships/reputations/community experinces threading this project forward.

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answered 2014-11-19 17:56:56 +0300

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Another small thing "world's first crowdsourced tablet" is not correct . Back in 2011 pengpod was done on indigogo a Linux tablet . Though not a big succes but they tried see : http://www.pengpod.com/

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PengPod definitely was croundfunded ( = money for production was collected by crowd), but here's accent on croudsourcing ( = created by crowd). Croudsourcing part in Jolla Tablet project is collecting ideas and requests on tablet's software part. Was there this kind of crowdsourcing on PengPod project?

trminator ( 2014-11-20 13:33:21 +0300 )edit
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answered 2014-11-24 16:17:59 +0300

updated 2014-11-24 16:21:55 +0300

Please add a COMMERCIAL APP STORE at least when this tablet hits the market - we're desperately waiting since one year for such app store for the phone to encourage developers which make their living out of app dev ... !!!

Love the idea of a tablet and ordered one ... !

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According to Sailfish devel mailing list, there is already support for this incoming during 2nd half of 2014. https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/004063.html

arinan ( 2014-11-24 16:40:57 +0300 )edit

@arinan ... well, 5 weeks left, cross fingers ;-)

Manankanchu ( 2014-11-24 16:50:18 +0300 )edit

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