Jolla 2nd device HW suggestions. [not relevant]

The transreflective idea is the best of all! I wonder it!

amoled would be great

Would it be possible to have a Low Power Mode with a transflective display?

True. The best way to present a smaller OH form factor would be to do so the same day as the next 4.5" model. It should be no problem to package the current hardware in a smaller form factor and have it ready that day. The smaller phone should be cheaper anyway.

The Other Half concept is pretty much wasted if each new phone has a new size. The current model is at the upper edge of the comfort zone for most people, size-wise. A bigger screen still is a possibility if bezels are made smaller, and it is nice to think that the next Jolla most likely won't be bigger. And there is absolutely no need for a third form factor. The Other half and the Smaller Half will do.

I would happily give up TOH for a smaller phone as long as I would have Sailfish gesture based interface, wireless charging and be able to change my battery.

The Other Half is the only reason for keeping the next Jolla at the same size. Otherwise I would hope next Jolla to be a bit smaller still keeping the same display size (=smaller bezel). I find Jolla to be a little too big for a comfortable one hand use. It's always hard to reach either top or bottom edge of the screen without changing the grip position.

@Jolla095 I agree. I think it would be good if they could cut the extra unused screensize on the edges, and bring the phone frame closer to the virtual screen.

USB c-type connector would be nice too.

USB OTG definitely, MHL or micro HDMI aren't that useful though.

MHL3 seems to be able to do video out and data transfer concurrently over a µUSB cable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link#MHL_3.0_features

I really hope Jolla will implement USB OTG in Jolla 2.

The short active and standby times have always truly been a problem in smartphones. An auto recharging system like solar panel or a super capacity battery would be needed along with proper power management.

Maybe with a screen that can be read without backlighting. With only one processor core. Radical energy saving settings. ...et cetera...

"robust body protected waterproof/dust" It's very unrealistic to want both I2C/TOH system AND waterproofing the device.

I never understood the need for more than 1.5 days of active use in the battery. Simply plug into charger every night when you go to bed. That way you have a fixed routine for charging, so you never forget.

@00prometheus, 1.5 days would be good, but if you use 3G and move around a fair bit, the current battery won't last 16 hours -- sometimes not even 10. So that's short by a factor of 2-3.

If they can fit the HW in a ~123x61 frame and keep the screen in 4.5 inches 720p i'd be more than happy.

The current specs would be enough if crammed behind a ~3.75" screen, even with a greater thickness.

The size of the Nokia N9 would be perfect. Perfect!

Yes, the N9 size was perfect - fit my hand (I've got small hands. Yes, I've got used to the Jolla now, but I think it would be possible to make a device with a 4" screen, but the same outer measurements as the N9 (3,9" screen).), but still wasn't too small to actually function.

Seeing that others appreciated the size of the N9, and the response about a continued use of The Other Half, got me thinking, and I submitted a candidate to be a "The Other Half Option 8 Contestant".

That idea should also work for a smaller device, or the "PadPhone" approach could be used, in case of demand for a larger screen.

Smaller device would be excellent. I like my Jolla a lot but it is too big and demands that I move the grip to go from top swipe to bottom swipe. Not very nice.

Only other really necessary change would be rubberised backside as the phone is large and slippery at the moment. Although that might be fixed by simply a smaller device. Benefit of smaller device is also that screen doesn't need to have crazy high resolution.

The Nokia Lumia 1320 has the same Qualcomm MSM8930AB aboard and according to the specs it has FM radio. http://reviewjolla.blogspot.be/2013/11/jolla-specs-and-user-experiences.html Look on this blog (mobile connectivity), acccording to them there's a small possibilitie that FM radio can be available in the future.

@Hans, re: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ch/2013/11/jolla-specs-and-user-experiences.html Thanks for the update, that would be good news. From this thread I got the impression that some "wiring" is missing in the Jolla HW: https://together.jolla.com/question/2111/hardware-feature-request-would-it-be-possible-to-enable-fm-radio-hw-in-the-2nd-jolla-hardware/ But it is not really clear what the problem is. I hope many people vote for this issue...

Would it be possible to wish for DAB+ too?

"Uptime should be at least two full days in low to medium use" I get close to a week - last charge was Friday afternoon, now we have Wednesday evening and I am down to 40% with quiet some browsing on the weekend, some texting and a few 5-10minute calls... North America... well there is a market but it seems to be the smallest of all markets - 350M devices are peanuts compared to Asia, 10% SailfishOS in China is probably about 30% of NA... 10% of Asia is probably 100% of NA. Even Europe is a much bigger market than NA. And not to forget the 1B people in Africa in need of a Jolla shipped with a Solar-Charger-TOH.

Toxip, As an addition to your suggestions when it comes to TOH backwards compatibility I think that Jolla could offer several form factors of TOHs. The old one that fits the current Jolla should still work for the second Jolla for models with the same form factor, but lets say a model with a bigger screen could have a differents TOH that fits for that size. I hope you understand what I mean.

@chemist I don't know how you can make Jolla last for more than a week since it only last for 1,5 days at max. NA market may be small but that doesn't make it less important. I think it's very important market for Jolla to gain wider adaptation. Jolla is doing the right thing starting with Asian market where it has better chances to gain foothold but they should eventually try to enter NA market as well.

@Larswad Jolla is designed to be used with only one hand. Having a bigger screen would make it harder to use. 4.5" screen is too big for some people already. Jolla probably wouldn't have the resources to release two devices, it's too risky. Honestly, I don't understand why manufacturers want to create bigger and bigger devices, Jolla doesn't need to join that race. Although the 2nd Jolla should be a bit different than the first one to distinguish it from the previous one. Maybe slightly slimmer.

@Toxip I know of the importance in terms of developers - and NA people are easily manipulated to buy fancy tech stuff too... for the 1,5d of lasting battery, I do not use whatsapp... and I managed to drain it to 20% last night while fiddling for 2 hours. So I charged last night, that has a 120+ hours use (Fri100%->Wed20%), those % left on the device usually gave me another day, I have to admit I have pretty good LTE coverage over here so the consumption should be even lower than with GSM/EDGE

@chemist Sure it won't be easy to enter NA market. Nokia struggled for a long time to enter the market but never really got there. I use mitäkuuluu so it's probably why it drains my battery. Still 1,5d ain't too shabby. I have only 3G so that may drain it. Is LTE energy conservative, I didn't know that. Maybe I should get a 4G connection then. :)

yeah that'd be great, i was very disdapointed when i learned that i'm limited to 2G for my upcoming trip to US °,..,° very sad

Canada, too. My carrier is solely UMTS Band 4 (ie. 3G on the pair of 1700/2100), so without frequency support for W-CDMA on the "AWS" blocks my Jolla remains sadly a small wifi tablet. Even with the less pocket-friendly form factor than the N9, I'd still switch to using my Jolla as my primary device in a heartbeat if it could actually talk to my cellular network. Ironically, was the only NA frequency set that the N900 supported, which is why I went to my current carrier to begin with!

Australia too, the main carrier is 3G 850 (UMTS Band 5). In the cities we have 4G but for the vast majority telstra (NextG) is the only option. According to wikipedia this affects other countries like New Zealand(XT Mobile Network) and various Asia telcos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#Deployments_by_region_.28UMTS-FDD.29

As a Finn, I completely agree!