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[wiki] State of Sailfish X, sensors, apps and Android™ support on Sony XA2 variants

asked 2019-02-01 11:01:12 +0200

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updated 2019-02-19 13:49:45 +0200

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This is intended to collect android apps and other new features (camera quality, bluetooth, NFC, etc...) working on the XA2 series with the new Sailfish X and AlienDalvik for Android 8.1 compatibility. It might help the developers, especially in beta phase. And it helps potential users and users of other Jolla phones to make an educated decision whether it suits their needs.

Please edit the main post with your information since this is a wiki post. Please try to separate apps from other phone features and use common sense.


Sailfish X - General

  • Front Camera: Setting exposure brightness to maximum will result in brightness below minimum (XA2 dual sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
  • Almost continuous minor stuttering in both native and Android UI (XA2 dual sim / 3.0.1 / 2019-02-03)
  • Hotspot (wifi-sharing) only works correctly when the password has been changed at least once. (3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-09)

Sailfish X - Sensors

  • Fingerprint reader - not working
  • GPS - working (XA2 Dual SIM H4113); took a long while until GPS position was found initialy, since then it is fine
  • Compass - ...
  • Proximity Sensor - currently buggy (either triple-press the bower butten or see workaround here)
  • Flip cover - The flip cover doesn't work as expected during calls (link)
  • ... - ...

Sailfish X - Apps

working 100%

  • ...

partially working

Camera

  • Symptoms:
    • When a picture is taken, the preview is shown and after that the camera takes the actual photo.
    • If the phone is moved during the preview animation or right after that it will lead in to a blurry photo.
  • Suggestions:
    1. Take the photo when the camera button (SW or HW) is pressend and then show the preview animation, or
    2. Take the photo and simultaneously show the preview animation

not working

  • ...

Aliendalvik Android™ support - General

  • WARNING! If an app is stopped by force also all of its data is lost!

  • A few white pixels right below the front camera in the first row of the display can be seen within every app (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01 / (Confirmed also on XA2 dual-sim F4113 / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01) / (Confirmed on XA2 Ultra Single Sim H4213 / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-03)

  • Sailfish Contacts show up in Android Apps, Calenders not.

    • Actually, Sailfish contacts do only partially show up in Signal
  • No access to SD card.

  • Photos taken with android camera apps show up double in android galleries (at least if the are displayed by folder)

  • Sometimes open/running androids apps appear double on main sailfish screen

  • Sometimes opening/running android apps, screen goes all black. Pressing the on/off button flashes an image of the android app, then turns off screen again. A second press sends you back to the lock screen.

  • SCP/rsync to ~nemo/android_storage causes aliendalvik crash

  • sometimes android system notifications pop up ("app X is using battery" / low battery warnings)

  • "Allow app background process to be started on boot" (loosely translated from Finnish) isn't respected. If the setting is off, the app will still start which will increase the memory usage a lot.

  • Copy and paste does not work from Android to Sailfish (as stated in release notes) but some users report it also does not work the other way around. (3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-09)

  • Text-To-Speech seems broken. With OSMAnd and BikeCitizen it does not work. Also when navigating with here maps several popups appear that "TinyTTS" stopped working.

Aliendalvik Android™ support - Sensors

  • Fingerprint reader - not working (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
  • GPS - ...
  • ... - ...

Aliendalvik Android™ support - Apps

working 100%

Hint: Please try and keep alphabetical order. Thanks!

  • Amazon Music (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
    • Including Alexa
  • Burger King DE (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Danfoss Link (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Dropbox (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • F-Droid Store (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Google Translate (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • LIFX (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Memrise Lesring Languages (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
    • only the sound is not so loud.
  • Microsoft OneDrive (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Nextcloud PhoneTrack (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14) (whats that, there is no such Android App) => https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.eneiluj.nextcloud.phonetrack/
  • Opera (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
  • Payback DE (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
    • Except Payback Pay
  • Plex (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Qobuz (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Roon (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Sp-Mobiili (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
    • Does complain about phone being rooted, but works
  • Strato HiDrive (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14, but hints for missing Play Servics)
  • Threema (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Tidal (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Toon, Eneco smart thermostaat app (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Trust Smart Home (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Urban Sports Club (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • VUE NL (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Yalp Store (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
    • minor bug: the "Updating" animation (spinning circular arrow) doesn't work.

working except notifications

  • DHL Paket (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Flipboard (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Logi Circle (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • MeWe (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Nextcloud Talk (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

partially working

Hint: Please try and keep alphabetical order. Thanks!

BVG

  • no internet connection on mobile data (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01 XA2 plus dualsim same behavior)
  • buying tickets works on mobile however

Cityflitzer (XA2 single sim 3.0.1.14)

  • can't find a location, no GPS

DB Navigator

  • no internet connection on mobile data (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
  • google services warning appears (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)
  • no internet connection on WiFi or on mobile data (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-02)

F-Droid Store

  • 2019-02-01 - XA2 Dual Sim (F4113) / 3.0.1.14)
  • Mobile network doesn't work
  • images not displayed (app icons / screenshots)

Firefox

  • 2019-02-01 - Xperia XA2 (F4113) - 3.0.1.14
  • Video playback doesn't work
  • Sync won't authorize
  • setting as default with Mimer won't open links anymore after a while (at least in variants like Fennec or IceCat from f-droid)

Here Maps

  • Everything works except text-to-speech (TinyTTS) for navigation. Using a recorded voice should work however. (XA2 single SIM / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-12)

K9 Mail (XA2 dual (H4113) / 3.0.1.14)

  • IMAP idle not working (only polling works)
  • no sound / vibration / LED for notifications
  • notifications apear twice in events view
  • does not sync on mobile network (manual polling works)

Magenta Smart Home (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Mobile Network doesn't work
  • Google Play notice on start

Microsoft Edge (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Mobile Network doesn't work

Nextcloud (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • New on-device media content is discovered only after full reboot of the device.

Nextcloud Talk

  • in a chat on mobile messages can be send, but the view is not updated
  • video calls not working

Nordea Mobile (Suomi) and Nordea Codes (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Works on Wi-Fi only
  • Complains about missing Google Play services but this can be ignored

Öffi

  • shows banner when on mobile data that there's no connection but it actually works (XA2 single sim / 3.0.1.14 / 2019-02-01)

SeriesGuide (XA2 dual (H4113) / 3.0.1.14)

  • does not fetch new episodes
  • episode screenshots not displayed

Quip (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Mobile Network doesn't work

Säästöpankki tunnistus (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Works on Wi-Fi
  • Complains about missing network connection on mobile data, but still works

Sony Headphones Connect (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • App starts up, but isn't functional when running
  • It tries to turn on bluetooth, but fails - even when bluetooth is enabled and/or headphones are already paired in the sailfish settings
  • Pairing with the WF-1000X case using NFC does not work

Signal Secure Messenger (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • can receive but cannot send messages (works on XA2 Plus Dual Sim, however)
  • images cannot be received (again, works on XA2 Plus Dual Sim)
  • contacts are not synched with SailFish OS, only a handful of the last added contacts are visible within Signal

Spotify

  • 2019-02-01 - Xperia XA2 (F4113) - 3.0.1.14
  • As mentioned in the release notes - if used with mobile data, states that Spotify is offline, playback works though

Sricam (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Works Wi-Fi only
  • On mobile data crashes if you try to connect to the camera

Telegram

  • connection only through wifi, not on mobile data (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)
  • Call voice comes from main speakers instead of on-ear speaker.
  • Cracking sound during calls.
  • Vibration works for incoming calls, but there is no visual UI to accept a call.

Verisure (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Works on Wi-Fi
  • Doesn't work over mobile data

WhatsApp (XA2 Plus Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14)

  • Initial setup needs to be done with Wi-Fi (mentioned in the release notes)
  • Notifications show up double
  • Background process dies occasionally (need to have the app cover active to receive notifications)
  • Background process dies if app is closed by swipe or from home screen (x)
  • Video call works, but there's no audio on the receiving end
  • Video playback doesn't work if videos are received

not working

Hint: Please try and keep alphabetical order. Thanks!

  • Airbnb (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14 / requires Google Play)
  • AMEX DE (Play Services and App crashes after complaining)
  • Fahrinfo
  • Flickr (hangs starting)
  • Gadgetbridge (Androidapp via F-droid) - doesn't get a bluetooth connection even when bluetooth (and GPS, per suggestion of gadgetbridge) in Sailfish are on
  • Nest (message, during installation: App not installed)
  • Netflix (message: This device is not supported by the app.)
  • ORF Tvthek
  • PostNL (app has no icon, only name/text; won't open/run)
  • Signal Secure Messenger (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14 / "incompatible" according to yalp store)
  • Slack (workspace can be created, good workspace icon appear, but no connexion either in wifi or modbile data)
  • Ticketmaster (message: Ticketmaster won't run without Google Play services, which are not supported by your device)
  • TuneIn Radio
  • Winter Bike, no.urbansharing.bysykkel.oslowinterbike (XA2 Dual Sim / 3.0.1.14 / requires Google Play)
  • ZDF Mediathek
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Well this is coincidence... I wanted to create the same wiki just now only to see that you already did it 6 minutes ago :D

I think it should be structured into 4 categories:

  1. Sailfish in general (with sensors)
  2. Sailfish apps
  3. Aliendalvik in general (Android™ support)
  4. Android apps

For android apps we should also write if internet access with mobile data connection works.

I just noticed that topic 2 will most probably only list 100% working apps ;)

Yo ( 2019-02-01 11:13:20 +0200 )edit
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How 'bout changing the topic to State of Sailfish X, sensors, apps and Android™ support on Sony XA2 variants?

Yo ( 2019-02-01 11:19:23 +0200 )edit

I hope nobody is offended by the way I restructured and renamed the wiki page.

Now let the content arise!

Yo ( 2019-02-01 11:53:46 +0200 )edit

I have no karma to edit I guess, but here's my take on XA2 Plus Dual Sim:

  • Authy : partially working (google services warning appears, auth codes and account sync work correctly though)
  • Bitwarden : not working, at least for me (fails to detect internet connection on WLAN and mobile)
addoula ( 2019-02-01 13:00:06 +0200 )edit
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Firefox Beta, OsmAnd+ and NewPipe are all working flawlessly, even on mobile data.

XA2 Single Sim

laubblaeser ( 2019-02-01 13:12:26 +0200 )edit

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answered 2019-02-06 17:46:23 +0200

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Sony Xperia XA2 (single sim) - sailfish 3.0.1.14

Not working at all:

1) hotspot (wifi-sharing) the linux-pc tries to connect to the XA2-genereted hotspot, but doesn't succeed. The prompt for the network-key appears, but the inserted key is not accepted (although it is the one provided by sailfish in setttings/hotspot).

2) usb-tethering installed as described here: https://sailfishmods.de/2018/11/tippstricks-usb-tethering/ tethering-option appears when connecting via usb; but the linux-pc doesn't connect successfully (connection-process appears in the pc's network-manager, but fails).

3) signal (messenger) installed via aptoide; authorisation for contacts, camera etc. is given.

  • no contact-names indicated
  • no sms shown although authorisation given
  • doesn't show pictures/movies
  • after new installation of signal, the app doesn't seem to work any more: sending of messages unclear; does not receive messages any more; old conversation disappeared completely.
  • freezes from times to times

Any ideas?


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XA2 Dual sim here, Wi-Fi hotspot works just fine. Haven't installed the usb-tethering and don't use signal, but I've read that the app does have some issues with the XA2 Android.

raketti ( 2019-02-06 20:39:24 +0200 )edit

Thanks for the heads up on the Signal update. I face the same issue: can receive text, but cannot send. I’ll wait a bit longer before I install the update, so I can at least keep receiving these texts.

tom-dr ( 2019-02-07 00:47:24 +0200 )edit

Wifi Hotspot worked for me after I set the key manualy. I also could not connect to the hotspot with the key automatically provided by SFOS

AkiBerlin ( 2019-02-07 09:17:29 +0200 )edit

Thanks for the good morning-news on Wi-Fi hotspot. One question: How can you set the key manually? In settings/hotspot I could not find any option therefore, even in developer-mode.

voilier ( 2019-02-07 11:02:53 +0200 )edit
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@voilier, there should be a password entry field in the settings.

raketti ( 2019-02-07 12:06:06 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-12 23:00:43 +0200

VincentB gravatar image

updated 2019-02-12 23:02:40 +0200

Xperia XA2 single SIM

Can't get Slack connected, either in WifI or mobile data.
I can create Workspace. workspace icons are the good ones, so, connections are no totally off.
SFOS 3.0.1.14
Slack 19.2.1.0 from Yalp

I will use slackfish, but thread and medias are very usefull in my job.

Any ideas?

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answered 2019-02-05 16:06:07 +0200

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updated 2019-02-07 11:33:16 +0200

Sony XA2 Plus Dual (H4413), Sailfish 3.0.1.14.

I lost network connexion for Android apps. I saw few parameters screens and I believe I broke something about network activation in Dalvik.

How to restore network ? Is there a way to re-access to config screens or must I re-flash the XA2 ?

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Complementary info : Firefox Beta works with 4G connexion. But other Android apps do not like Store, Candy Crush etc ...

When they worked, I was on wifi@home. So I guess, there's a trouble with connexion type in Dalvik.

TNZ ( 2019-02-05 16:24:02 +0200 )edit

Already with 4G connexion : Amazon apps is ok, F-Droid doesn't connect.

TNZ ( 2019-02-05 16:44:10 +0200 )edit

Connectivity overview of my Android apps

Wifi only

Meteociel
Skype
Skype for Business
F-Droid
Candy Crush Saga
HERE WeGo
Google Maps (plante carrément au démarrage sans wifi)

Data & Wifi

Firefox Beta
Amazon Apps
20 minutes
Store
Waze
TNZ ( 2019-02-07 11:34:32 +0200 )edit
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@TNZ are you able to get Waze to actually navigate? It keeps crashing for me once it finds the route

rgp ( 2019-02-10 03:54:18 +0200 )edit

Waze starts normally, but I don't use for travel yet.

TNZ ( 2019-02-14 11:55:11 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-04 22:31:52 +0200

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updated 2019-02-04 23:34:19 +0200

I've tried to install Gadgetbridge and connect to my Xiaomi Mi-band2 but it keeps hanging on turning on the bluetooth in Android. Bluetooth in Sailfish is turned on tough (location as well, as suggested by Gadgetbridge). I can't seem to acces the Android-Bluetoothsettings

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use amazfish

remote ( 2019-02-04 23:01:31 +0200 )edit

That's advertised as only for the mifit?

From the openrepos-page "Support other devices (maybe eg MiBand2, as it is similar)", so seems Xiaomi mi-band isn't supported yet. https://openrepos.net/content/piggz/amazfish

Will-Do ( 2019-02-04 23:34:01 +0200 )edit

did you try it? :)

cartron ( 2019-02-05 00:31:23 +0200 )edit

I tried installing amazfish via the download at openrepos and just got the message "problem with installing" "harbour amazfish"

Will-Do ( 2019-02-06 11:31:08 +0200 )edit

Bluetooth does not work, nor ever worked, in AlienDalvik due to different stacks between SFOS and Android.

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2019-02-06 17:34:31 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-05 12:18:51 +0200

Sony XA2 Plus Dual (f4413), Sailfish 3.0.1.14. Doesn't work anything at all. No icon neither for Aptoide, nor for HereWeGo Maps installed through Jolla Shop, downloaded apks don't install through FileBrowser((((

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Have you installed Android Support from the Jolla Store?

Giacomo Di Giacomo ( 2019-02-05 12:42:13 +0200 )edit

First I installed system as an update from 3.0.1.11, then flashed from the store after payment, and yet it doesn't work( I don't see anyAndroid Support in the Jolla Store. If you mean Aptoide, then it seems not to work too: no icon, no icons for HereWeGo Maps (if the found in Jolla Store app means that it was installed through Aptoide).

sergey.savoskin ( 2019-02-05 12:44:36 +0200 )edit

Is your Jolla account logged in properly on the phone? Go to Settings App> Accounts > Jolla account Next to Account status it should say 'Active'.

Then press on Account web page and login to the web site using the same credentials then press the menu button on the top right, select devices and check if your XA2 device is listed.

rgp ( 2019-02-05 13:37:50 +0200 )edit

Yes, everything is correct on both sides (web page too), but I can't find no Android support at all(

sergey.savoskin ( 2019-02-05 14:32:31 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-06 15:11:28 +0200

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updated 2019-02-09 16:48:12 +0200

Yo gravatar image

I have succesfully run google play services, and install some apps from yalp or store:

  • Google Music (work, but after log into account I can't see my playlists and albums) it seems like Google Music can't sync a data.
  • Google Chrome (work but can't choose your account)
  • Google Maps (work, but can't get current posiotion ... android apps can't use location service at now)

Edited for better readability. Just use single quote as apostrophes.

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How did you do it?

Malinux ( 2019-02-07 15:14:03 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-14 12:07:25 +0200

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updated 2019-02-14 12:07:54 +0200

whever i get a call the phone screen stays black, making me unable to answer the call. pushing the power button shows the screen for a millisecond, but then goes black again. anyone else have this problem?

edit: sony xperia plus dual sim

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you can push the power button, then you can unsilence the call, that works for me. have the smae problem, but somehow a solution. xa2 ultra dual sim

lwb ( 2019-02-16 21:45:00 +0200 )edit
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answered 2019-02-14 12:20:24 +0200

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Key issue on 3.0.1.14 is I am unable to uninstall an Android APK I installed, namely Outlook 304 and 305. The traditional way, through the app store or through the command line all fails.

Does anybody have a handy documentation on how apkd on the cli works?

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answered 2019-02-16 13:04:24 +0200

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As I have not enough Karmapoints, my addition of not working:

  • Flickr (installable, but crashing) - it's on the list already
  • Twitter original app - installing through Yalp says it's split and one should give root rights.
  • Duolingo - same as Twitter

Then I always get messages that this or this app is using too much power. That's annoying. It also seems, the AlienDalvik Apps are always running in the background, even if I closed it. Any way to change that? I'm not one of those who needs to know all the time that I received a message. I only want to know, when I open the app, e.g. telegram. It was and is working on the xperia x, on the xa-2 it seems to be checking all the time.

Please feel free to edit and use this post. I'd be happy for any hints and advices.

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answered 2019-02-05 01:58:01 +0200

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  1. go to supermarket.
  2. buy android phone.
  3. enjoy your full google experience, no complaints.
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To be honest, this is the best solutions for the users that need some android applications. Right now, Jolla is wasting time fighting with Android compatibility which is nonesense. As Sailfish is a system that value the user privacy (at least this is what can be read here and there) while Android is the total opposite. Also even that Sony has very good idea with the Open Device program, the end result from is way different that what one would imagine. To sum this up,we end up in something that's trying to be alternative platform which is in fact just a different middle layer for the Android ecosystem and what's worse is that it's add more problems.

I should also mention that there was a company that did the same i.e. had possibility to run Android apps from their native os. The end was that devs didn't make new apps because ppls could use the android ones which was killing the native app market. And a last word about the Sailfish market app, Well it generally almost doesn't exists. Because there's no option to have there paid apps. The same thing was done by Mozilla with the Firefox OS which failed because sometimes we need to have paid apps and you can't bypass this.And Jolla could also benefit from this fact by taking some % from the app.

lolek ( 2019-02-06 23:36:26 +0200 )edit
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My heating control (and the browser) forces me to use an android app. The web interface does not work at all with all browsers on my beloved Sailfish OS device.

Using an android app does not mean that anyone wants a 'full google experience'.

I guess there are plenty of use cases where you want to use an android app but do not want to use an android phone.

Yo ( 2019-02-09 16:51:44 +0200 )edit

@Yo you've bought a product that require an android phone to control and then you complain on some other product webpage that's not android that it doesn't work with your product. That means your argument is invalid. You should get android phone if you're picking up products that require android to control. It's that simple. For example I had to buy one device and I had an option to buy a device that can be controled with android or a device that doesn't require it, I've picked the second one (the one that doesn't require android). Next time chose carefully, or if this device isn't old you can probably return it to the shop and get something that doesn't put you in the vendor lock in.

lolek ( 2019-02-09 18:33:08 +0200 )edit
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@lolek Please stop impose your purist views to others. Many people (including me) see no big deal in using free software along with proprietary or vendor locked-in solutions, for which no free software alternative exists, or such alternatives are less convenient. Free software is all about choice, even if the choice is not to use it.

PS: I understand and partially share your opinion regarding bad influence of Android compatibility layer on native Sailfish ecosystem. However, things are not that bad. As a dev myself, I have no problems in developing native SFOS application even having fully-functional Android analog, and I believe I am not alone.

kravich ( 2019-02-09 18:53:27 +0200 )edit
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@lolek I bought a product that also offers a website to control my heating. That was important for me so I don't need to use Android apps. But unfortunately all native browsers for Sailfish OS I tested lack features that are required for the page to work.

At some point I just want things to work instead of acting upon my maxim.

Yo ( 2019-02-09 23:33:54 +0200 )edit
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