Cleaning up together - please join

asked 2014-01-20 10:43:49 +0300

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Have you seen questions or tags very close to each other, but not quite duplicates? In this wiki we sort these out together. Add an answer to start a new discussion.

1. Sorting of closely related questions (why is this important?)

(link new answer here) To your answer, please include a numbered list of related questions as url links
several Facebook API change related questions
related discussions: TOH developer kit, custom ambiences, Store connection
N9 glance screen related questions
Ambience color related questions
GPS related questions
MicroSD / exFAT related questions

2. To achieve a meaningful, clear, intuitive and shared notion of set of tags

3. Already cleaned (links to discussions):

(move links from above here) After everything decided in the discussion is done, report the result here.
list-of-contacts contact --> contacts
toh --> theotherhalf
feature --> feature-request
ambiance ambince --> ambience
synchronisation --> sync
store jollastore appstore --> jolla-store,yandex-store etc.
lockscreen --> lock-screen
4g lte --> 4g-lte
calender calendars --> calendar
ui gui ux --> left untouched
android alien-dalvik --> left untouched
sdcard microsd and similar tags

4. Code-of-conduct! Before merging duplicates / changing existing tags:

Suggestions (formatted as "Answer") should be listed here for at least 2 working days to see what comments they get.
Thereafter, answers should be revised according to the result of the comments, for example, making it clear that a certain set of tags should not be merged and stating the reason.
Wait another working day before you start editing tags and check what the discussion is. If previously there has been a lot of different ideas and comments, you may even ask that a moderator gives the go-ahead.
Report all retagging with a comment, so that moderators can cleanup the back-end (otherwise unused tags are shown in the list of choises when tagging a question)

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@jgr I edited that part to be not so normative: "If you run into a question that can't actually be answered at all, or is a simple How-to or Poll / Survey consider commenting that to the writer and/or convert the question to a wiki (edit -> mark with "community wiki")"

Is it better now?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-20 12:38:03 +0300 )edit

I propose to introduce the concept of sticky topics centralizing news / main ideas and so on. A meta-topic could be created to gather sitcky topics title. Yesterday, I was suggested to use tags, but it's not efficient. I think sticky topics could be good to reduce the number of "duplicate topics".

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 10:44:09 +0300 )edit

@TNZ Who selects sticky topics, and by what criteria? And where are they shown?

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:01:12 +0300 )edit

@jjaone : The main idea is to have a cleaner area. I think that guys who spend a lot of time here are the best (like admins & moderators) to manage sticky topics and the meta-topic.

Maybe, a specific site section giving news about activity here could help instead of maintening sticky-topics.

TNZ ( 2014-01-21 11:12:20 +0300 )edit

@TNZ A Dashboard giving a quick overview of what is happening in here, hot topis, latest questions, answer, comments, whos on line, top 10 roadmapped and / or closed questions, etc etc..with selectable sticky topics, news, howtos, guides + a link section to related Jolla & developnent spesific sites like Care, Store, blogs and community portals..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-21 11:28:01 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 18:30:46 +0300

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I've found sailfish and sailfishos. I suggest replacing them with sailfish-os.

There is also sailfish-port, which perhaps should be simply renamed porting.

What do you think?

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sailfish usually means SailfishOS, but porting is just a reference to making something to run on some other environment (hw/sw plarform)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 18:43:07 +0300 )edit

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You're right, for example I would tag android + porting.

IZ1IVA ( 2014-01-22 18:47:06 +0300 )edit

yep just like that ;)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 18:55:10 +0300 )edit

Because in tags, spaces should be replaced by dashes: "sailfish-os"

jgr ( 2014-01-23 03:06:09 +0300 )edit

@jgr No, references to native platform should be tagged as 'sailfishos'.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-25 11:16:06 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-25 13:38:13 +0300

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updated 2014-01-25 13:38:35 +0300

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Cleanup suggestion:

cover (36)
appcover (5)
activecover (2)
covers (1)

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it seems cover is also used to describe Jolla phone accessories...

eric ( 2014-01-28 11:19:21 +0300 )edit

@eric I found one, did you retag the others? I guess there should be another tag for cover as phone accessories.

Neo ( 2014-01-28 12:14:05 +0300 )edit

Neo: no I didn't touch anything yet. We'd rather get an agreement first on merging appcover into activecover and create a relevant tag for the covers accessories. I hope we could find something better than cover-accesory for the purpose ;)

eric ( 2014-01-28 12:58:39 +0300 )edit

This is a tricky one...

simo ( 2014-01-31 05:08:46 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-25 14:14:10 +0300

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updated 2014-01-25 14:15:30 +0300

Below tags can be also merged:

home-screen (27)
home (3)
homepage (3)
homescreen (1)

home-screen would be preferred option, as it is anyway most used. And even though homepage sounds something related to browser, it was used in questions about home-screen.

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Yes, IMO home-screen is the correct and preferred way to refer to Jolla UI Home screen. See: https://together.jolla.com/question/5465/how-to-naming-jolla-ui-screens-gestures-and-components/

foss4ever ( 2014-01-27 00:11:35 +0300 )edit

Ping :) Who's picking this low hanging fruit? Let me know when done so I clean up the backend, thanks!

eric ( 2014-01-31 02:28:10 +0300 )edit

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@eric done

simo ( 2014-01-31 04:52:04 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-07-19 14:38:03 +0300

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Just a suggestion for even more efficient cleaning: Please go through your own questions and

Consider closing some of your own questions as outdated (add tag ´outdated´ too)
Consider removing older (months old) questions with only few votes or editing them with a better topic and tags
Inform moderators (add comment with @ nick) if you find an old issue already released but missing ´roadmap´ tag (Moderators are users marked with star sign and "moderator" in the user list)
If you have gained more knowledge later, try to answer your own question so that the issue will get solved
Form your questions by the guidance shared here. Don't leave questions which are impossible to answer (or mark those as wiki)

I'm pretty sure that almost all of us can find at least one question in your questions list requiring attention on this. You can find your own questions by clicking your nick on the top panel.

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answered 2014-01-20 11:18:23 +0300

simo

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updated 2014-01-21 11:44:50 +0300

Related questions around GPS location, oldest on top (link + number of votes / number of answers):

Discussion of these in the comments. Vote the comments to support ideas, or comment with a better suggestion.

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To begin with, let's have this answer also as an example of my idea. IMO, all the questions above could be handled under just 3-4 topics. Please comment to help the sorting.

simo ( 2014-01-20 11:18:41 +0300 )edit

I've studied links 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 13 and I've found out that these could be merged to two questions:

Compass in Android apps. The oldest might stay (13, 5 --> 4)
GPS in Android apps. The oldest might stay (7,8,10 --> 6)

Some relative info should be moved from the latter ones getting closed if this idea gets any support. The best way might be to add an answer to those, telling that the question is about to be merged - the writes could then edit+move their contribution if needed.

simo ( 2014-01-21 11:37:04 +0300 )edit

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I think this is an example of things which cannot be integrated wuthout interal knowledge of how things work. For example it is possible that all GPS issues are a problem related to temperature, but it's also possible that temperature is not a problem.

Nux ( 2014-01-22 09:25:03 +0300 )edit

Good point @Nux, and the same could apply to many other cases here. Question mergers probably are not that good approach when threads are long and there are many comments and varying views expressed (even contradictory opinions etc).

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 09:53:08 +0300 )edit

Should we just let these stay, all 14?

simo ( 2014-01-22 13:54:51 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 01:37:14 +0300

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updated 2014-01-22 03:55:06 +0300

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What is the difference between:

ui (155) "User interface" - how is the system, device, gadget, machine made availeble to users
ux (65) "User experience" - what does the user feel when using a device, gadget, system, ..
gui (7) "Grahphical UI" - graphical and visual elements of UI (whether inoput or ouput).

Above definitions and this note by @jjaone ; touch-interface in phones or tablets is not purely GUI (even if it is an UI), and utilizes some graphical, haptic, motoric, and others sensory (also audio) interfaces to users- ultimately giving user some experiences when interacting with the device.

Answer: See comments below. It should be checked whether they are used correctly for the individual questions (for correct meaning see comments) but not merged.

Update (@jjaone): refer to this https://together.jolla.com/question/17364/cleaning-up-together-please-join/#post-id-18224 to see the source and explanation of what we should not do with them..

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ui = User Interface, gui= Graphical User Interface. These can be merged under ui, as the whole interface in the phone is graphical but ui is adopted better.

ux = User eXperience, and should be left as it is.

simo ( 2014-01-22 02:02:20 +0300 )edit

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Ok, I understand that user-experience and user-interface are required. But I do not see the need to differentiate between "ui" and "gui" on a mainly graphical user interface.

Because I saw "ui" and "ux" synonymous (and will not be the only one), I suggest that not the abbreviations are used but the long terms (and an automatism in the background converts ui/ux to there long equivalent in case it should have been typed -- i.e. the "most-wanted-synonym" feature already mentioned).

jgr ( 2014-01-22 02:05:45 +0300 )edit

No you cant make ui and gui the same: if i type with kbrd it's part of UI but it's not GUI. Come on, there is huge amount of tech/user-space terminology that has its use cases and if you just don't know the differences better leave them.as they are, cause the poster might have had good reasons to use e.g GUI and not.UI

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 02:23:17 +0300 )edit

UI is not only GUI, both of which are not UX. And @jgr definately not all abbrs should be turned to new invented tags - they are for.things.that have established names and titles and have been used for decades.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 02:25:59 +0300 )edit

@jjaone: "not all abbrs should be turned to new ..." You are right. The people who select these, will know why. So it is not a problem that they may not be understood by the whole community.

jgr ( 2014-01-22 02:45:15 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 01:41:40 +0300

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updated 2014-01-31 02:31:19 +0300

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Edit: CLEANED sync prevails :)

What is the difference between:

sync (37)
synchronisation (8)

There are also a lot of compounds with sync, e.g. activesync, desync, off-sync, rsync, firefox-sync, syncml -- these are specific and should stay.

(edited to reflect the result of the discussion)

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No, some of those sync=tags refer to specific technologies, protocols or products/services; better not touch them light-heartedly ;)

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 01:56:45 +0300 )edit

The colored ones in your answer can definitely be under sync. Let's leave the rest for now.

simo ( 2014-01-22 01:59:56 +0300 )edit

@simo synch is synchronization for sure, but the others let them be for good (not only for now), I explained why already.. Overly merging tags that just look similar is a really bad idea unless you are sure there are no semantic differences in them..And in tech terms one letter can change everything to it's opposite..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 02:12:48 +0300 )edit

@jjaone I wasn't clear enough... I always try to think these issues in a long run, so "for now" should have been like "as long as they seem to work well" or something like that... I suppose we have the same thought anyway. Not forever, not for now, but for as long as they serve us well ;)

simo ( 2014-01-22 02:35:32 +0300 )edit

@simo It doesn't work like that when you talk abt terms and vocabularies (tags as metadata). There is 'rsync' and there is 'syncml' and they will not start to mean the same thing, even if we waited for eternity for that to happens. In text/user-landscape terms are defined (that's why user guides usually have used terminology defined) and then used accordingly. It's not like lets use this term today like this, and let's see what we invent for this for tomorrow...

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 02:47:16 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 01:53:08 +0300

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updated 2014-01-22 09:38:09 +0300

To clarify my view on suggestions by some here that UX, UI, and GUI tags should be merged. My answer is no they can't and they should not, cause UX (user experience), UI (user interface), GUI (graphical UI), all are different and mean different things when talking abt user facing layer of sw/hw architrctures or stacks. These should not be merged together, but questions could be reviewed to see if they have been used properly.

Further, in more general notion, all these tag-related mass-cleanings and 'mergers' should not be done automatically just based on that the tags look similar enough. There really could be a very good reason why the poster has selected just a particular tag, and not some other tag that seem to be the same). Then again if some re-tags are not correct they are easy to be changed back by anyone.

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@simo I edited that @jgr's orginal Answer (with definitions and stuff), and no this is not a duplicate of that, this gives explanation why UI, UX, GUI should not be merged. I never got any PM from you,

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 03:50:37 +0300 )edit

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@simo, @jaone: I suggest:

jjaone puts this answer as comment underneath the original ui/ux/gui answer
most of the trhead below the original answer is deleted, leaving only what is really necessary (maybe one post by simo, none of mine, the answer above by jjaone as comment)
Delete above answer including the associated comments

jgr ( 2014-01-22 03:56:04 +0300 )edit

@jgr Thanks for reply, you don't have the delete anything, I removed some of my OT comments, edited your Q with defs, posted my own Answer that those tags should not be merged, and I will keep it there cause it is important that there is a reason why it is not a good idea. Some PM currently on-going with "simo" but it's sleeping time here too, so Gnite to you, sweet dreams, I'l join soonish..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-22 04:32:41 +0300 )edit

@jjaone Thanks for joining PM, we're getting issues solved. I'll remove more of my comments also, but tomorrow. Good night everyone :)

simo ( 2014-01-22 05:40:36 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 13:19:55 +0300

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updated 2014-02-01 12:10:19 +0300

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About picking/adjusting UI (Ambience) colors, there are plenty open questions/threads. If those could be merged somehow...? :)

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I see only three here :) Could you make a numbered list, sorted by question number, for easier commenting.

simo ( 2014-01-31 04:55:16 +0300 )edit

Sorry, you see three what? o.O

CsTom ( 2014-01-31 13:11:36 +0300 )edit

Three subjects above, meaning that some questions might (IMO) be merged (content moved to those).

simo ( 2014-01-31 14:20:20 +0300 )edit

Merging questions is not upported by askbot and even if topics are similar the idea here is that one question addresses unique problem or request, and if not then they should be marked as duplicates and closed (leaving the first/most descriptive/more voted one alive).

foss4ever ( 2014-02-01 14:43:57 +0300 )edit

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answered 2014-01-22 20:14:05 +0300

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updated 2014-01-28 11:17:48 +0300

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Edit: CLEANED

Just a small one, but these might be used more often soon:

4g(3)
lte (3)

Different expressions are used in different countries, "lte" beeing the official, but both are understandable. How about changing both as 4g-lte?

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4g-lte works fine I think.

TimTTK ( 2014-01-22 20:16:36 +0300 )edit

Are you sure that normal users would know 4g is not ok? Most don't even know about 3g, they just speak abt mobile-data connection as opposed to WLAN-connection. Thus 4g-lte won't probably mean anything but to few. So I'd vote for no don't change them, but sure use 4g-lte in Questions if you want to be exact etc.

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 22:20:35 +0300 )edit

the use of abbreviations is indeed tricky one. Its always so dependant on the context of subject in hand...

TimTTK ( 2014-01-23 22:57:23 +0300 )edit

@TinTTK correct, and the poster's background, and the type of query, and even the indented 'audience' i.e. to whom it's is written..So in some cases it's best just consider fixing tags only when self familiar with the issue at hand, or self involved in those threads..

foss4ever ( 2014-01-23 23:21:39 +0300 )edit

lte is the official name for the technology, yes. But as far as I know here in Sweden all marketing is about 4g, so that's what people tend to know/understand. My non-technical friends wouldn't know lte, but they would know/guess 4g, so I guess it depends on culture as well.

Mohjive ( 2014-01-23 23:47:42 +0300 )edit

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